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Author:  hero of gondor [ Tue Dec 15, 2009 6:49 pm ]
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I doesn't mean if someone mentioned that but in the latest white dwarfs they say that a new fell beast and rohan stuf comes out.
Dwimmerlaik is the only ringwraith we doesn't have yet and dwimmerlaik is a rohan word. So maybe the new release of rohan is not so excited but just a ringwraith in rohan armour wich you can make on the fell beast.

Is someone thinking the same as me?
Author:  PAMPLEMOUSE [ Tue Dec 15, 2009 6:52 pm ]
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Dwimmerlaik is just eowens title for the wichking not an actuall different nazgul.the ringwraiths were created long befor rohan.
Author:  hero of gondor [ Tue Dec 15, 2009 6:54 pm ]
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dwimmerlaik means ghost in rohan language.
Author:  Lord Hurin [ Tue Dec 15, 2009 6:59 pm ]
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hero of gondor wrote:
dwimmerlaik means ghost in rohan language.


Yep, and the Eotheod or Men of the Vales of Anduin had been around since the First Age. I can't remember offhand whether they were Men from the Three Houses who decided to stay there rather than enter Beleriand, or if they were the remnants of those who didn't go to Numenor and fled Beleriand's destruction. I think the former.
Author:  PAMPLEMOUSE [ Tue Dec 15, 2009 7:07 pm ]
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the peopel that became the Eotheod were not in the the vales of anduin in the 1st age. it wasn't untill the fall of angmar that they even appeared by the anduin
Author:  Lord Hurin [ Tue Dec 15, 2009 7:12 pm ]
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Well, I don't know what they were called before then as I don't think I've seen it mentioned. They were the Men of the Vales of Anduin at least since the time of the Civil War in Gondor, since a Gondorian prince's marrieage to one of their women is what sparked the Civil War.

The Eotheod were a branch of those Men. They rode to Cirion's aid in the Battle of the Field of Celebrant and were given the province of Calenardhon to dwell in, becoming the Rohirrim.
Author:  PAMPLEMOUSE [ Tue Dec 15, 2009 7:23 pm ]
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they are from Rhovanion and didn't move to present Rohan until they rode to cirion's aid in the 2nd age. they were around in the first age but have no writen or recorded history so if one of them was a nazgul it has no ties to rohan.
Author:  Corsair [ Tue Dec 15, 2009 7:37 pm ]
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Well, I think with the rohan themed name. I think we can make the assumption the miniature for the dwimmerlaik will appear at about the same time as the Rohan release.

James
Author:  Lord Hurin [ Tue Dec 15, 2009 7:38 pm ]
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PAMPLEMOUSE wrote:
they are from Rhovanion and didn't move to present Rohan until they rode to cirion's aid in the 2nd age. they were around in the first age but have no writen or recorded history so if one of them was a nazgul it has no ties to rohan.


The Vales are in Rhovanion, although I was incorrect in that Vidugavia called himself the "King of Rhovanion" not just King of the Vales of Anduin.

Either way, almost all Men who were not of Numenorean, Easterling or Haradrim descent are descended from the "Northmen." This includes the Men of Dale, Eotheod (later Rohirrim), Beornings, etc.
Author:  PAMPLEMOUSE [ Tue Dec 15, 2009 7:46 pm ]
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this doesn't get passed the fact that Dwimmerlaik is not a new nazgul just eowyns name for them. and the nazgul were created befor the all of numenor, so befor gondor was even created.
Author:  aelfwine [ Tue Dec 15, 2009 8:13 pm ]
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Dwimmerlaik means "work of magic" not "ghost" exactly. So she means "unnatural, unclean and possibly smelly" thing.

Because people in Dark Age sagas always have time for a good insulting speech before the swords come out ;)
Author:  King Elessar the Uniter [ Tue Dec 15, 2009 9:14 pm ]
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hero of gondor wrote:
Dwimmerlaik is the only ringwraith we doesn't have yet and dwimmerlaik is a rohan word. So maybe the new release of rohan is not so excited but just a ringwraith in rohan armour wich you can make on the fell beast.


Yeah, I suppose it might have a similar concept to the Betrayer (the Harad-looking one) with a few Rohan characteristics but a Ringwraith... implying it was once a good King of Rohan...

I don't think it all adds up in the history of Middle Earth but that wouldn't stop GW trying it though.



Though I'm pretty sure that's NOT all that's coming out for the Rohan release. Preceding this quote in October WD:

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"In the coming months the Horse Lords of Rohan will benefit from new miniatures, so start building up your Rohirrim; but Evil players have much still to look forward to, as the forges of Isengard have not been idle." - [Mat Ward]


Is this:

Quote:
With all these Evil models about things are looking grim for the forces of Good, but Mat says that all is not lost.


Therefore implying it is the GOOD army of ROHAN that gets the new minis in "the coming months".

Perhaps they release the Dwimmerlaik as well but it won't just be a "ringwraith in rohan armour wich you can make on the fell beast" being released...




...at least it better not! :)
Author:  Lord Hurin [ Tue Dec 15, 2009 9:18 pm ]
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PAMPLEMOUSE wrote:
this doesn't get passed the fact that Dwimmerlaik is not a new nazgul just eowyns name for them. and the nazgul were created befor the all of numenor, so befor gondor was even created.


"The Dwimmerlaik" is indeed GW's name for the last Nazgul. Just because Rohan (and Eowyn) didn't exist at that time, doesn't mean that the language they spoke didn't exist in some form. Besides, who's to say that he was always called "The Dwimmerlaik"? He could've been a King of the Northmen.
Author:  Lord Hurin [ Tue Dec 15, 2009 9:22 pm ]
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King Elessar the Uniter wrote:
Therefore implying it is the GOOD army of ROHAN that gets the new minis in "the coming months".

Perhaps they release the Dwimmerlaik as well but it won't just be a "ringwraith in rohan armour wich you can make on the fell beast" being released...

...at least it better not! :)


Is there an Evil army of Rohan that I don't know about? :P

I think hero of gondor was simply suggesting that it would be a good tie-in. Do we know when the Rohan/ Isengard release would be coming out? Even if the Nazgul on Fell Beast isn't part of that, I'd still say The Dwimmerlaik will probably come out with this lot.
Author:  King Elessar the Uniter [ Tue Dec 15, 2009 9:28 pm ]
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Lord Hurin wrote:
Is there an Evil army of Rohan that I don't know about? :P


No, I was just making it clear which faction is meant to be getting the new minis. :)

Lord Hurin wrote:
I think hero of gondor was simply suggesting that it would be a good tie-in.


Fair enough but his post does read:

hero of gondor wrote:
So maybe the new release of rohan is not so excited but just a ringwraith in rohan armour wich you can make on the fell beast.



Lord Hurin wrote:
Do we know when the Rohan/ Isengard release would be coming out? Even if the Nazgul on Fell Beast isn't part of that, I'd still say The Dwimmerlaik will probably come out with this lot.


We've been told it's in "the coming months" but yes it's likely they'll release the Dwimmerlaik at the same time. :)
Author:  PAMPLEMOUSE [ Tue Dec 15, 2009 9:29 pm ]
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"The Dwimmerlaik" is indeed GW's name for the last Nazgul


exactly it's GW's name it will be cool but once again they're making things up. I'm alittle disapointed in GW becouse there's so much they haven't tapped in to and they're making stuff up. I feel it's totaly unnesasary, for atleast the next 3 years.

new rohan and isenguard moddles are really needed, i always felt their forces were alittle bland but hopfully they will introduce different eored's and elfhelm or helhammerhand.
Author:  Lord Hurin [ Tue Dec 15, 2009 10:38 pm ]
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PAMPLEMOUSE wrote:
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"The Dwimmerlaik" is indeed GW's name for the last Nazgul


exactly it's GW's name it will be cool but once again they're making things up. I'm alittle disapointed in GW becouse there's so much they haven't tapped in to and they're making stuff up. I feel it's totaly unnesasary, for atleast the next 3 years.

new rohan and isenguard moddles are really needed, i always felt their forces were alittle bland but hopfully they will introduce different eored's and elfhelm or helhammerhand.


What would you suggest they name the Wraiths then? Tolkien didn't write any of their names except Khamul. He was also the only one whose origin was definitely stated. GW can't do anything but make this stuff up. Well, they could have refrained from doing named Nazgul at all, but I don't think they could've resisted the urge to put out 7 more $40 blisters.
Author:  PAMPLEMOUSE [ Wed Dec 16, 2009 2:00 am ]
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well the numinorian one wasn't named but he was stated in the book.
and i liked the ananomity of them it made the creatures creepyer, i would much prefer muhad becoming a legitimat army with boxsets of wariors than a whole list of $40 ring wraiths. thats not so say i dont like them i have already said that this release was going to be cool.
Author:  Pinky Beecroft [ Wed Dec 16, 2009 2:10 am ]
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The guy at my local GW shop tells me he has heard "rumors" that the new Rohan release will be out in March and will likely include Helm Hammerhand and/or other such named heros. Not sure how good his sources are so take it with a grain of salt.
Author:  PAMPLEMOUSE [ Wed Dec 16, 2009 2:46 am ]
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huza! now the goods are commin' out
i've been looking forward to this since th felowship came out!
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