Thank you all for the advice and feedback. Hoping to enter some sculpting challenges this year
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| Author: | JamesR [ Wed Jan 01, 2014 6:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Pro-create V green stuff |
As the title says I was wondering if anyone has experience with both of these modeling agents. And which you thought was better. I'm really hoping to dive into sculpting big time this year so any advice would be wonderful. "Must have" tools etc. Thanks in advance, James |
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| Author: | mertaal [ Wed Jan 01, 2014 8:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pro-create V green stuff |
Morning, and Happy New Year! I've worked with both, and personally prefer pro-create by a long way. It's less sticky, a bit lighter (meaning it doesn't alter shape under its own weight as much as GS) and less dense. If you're sculpting whole minis though, Fimo is by far the best choice. It's a dream to work with, just not very practical for modelling individual components for conversions, etc, because you have to bake it. |
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| Author: | Fëanor, the mighty elf [ Wed Jan 01, 2014 12:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pro-create V green stuff |
They both have their advantages, and therefore they also have their own uses. I've just posted the below in another thread about Green Stuff alternatives, so this might be relevant here as well: 'Also there are other alternatives for putties. You got different sorts of milliput , you got ProCreate, and more. Each putty has it's advantages and disadvantages. Generally speaking, milliput is cheaper, but not as fine as Green Stuff, cures faster and rock-hard, is pretty sticky and feels like working with clay. Green Stuff is quite sticky, but when you press it, it usually 'bends' back a little, when curing it slightly expands, but is otherwise good quality. ProCreate is probably a little more expensive than Green Stuff (unless you buy Green Stuff from GW of course), but has a very fine granularity, does not 'bend' back, is less sticky than Green Stuff and does not expand when curing. I find working with it a little easier than with Green Stuff. You can also make things more smooth (because of the finer granularity). As you see, all putties have their own advantages, and therefore you can often find the right putty for the job. When sculpting a mini from scratch, I would say it's a good idea to start with Milliput as a base, use Green Stuff next for the larger parts and then add ProCreate for the details (like, head, hair, chain mail, belts etc).' As for tools: a variety is good to have. The sculpting tools seen here are very good. Also, cone-shaped clay shapers are great for sculpting soft things like skin and cloth. They have a silicon tip (I think), and therefore create softer lines and folds. Anyway, sculpting tools just make your job easier, but nothing is really needed. I've seen fantastic models created by not more than a toothpick, so it's largely just personal preference. |
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| Author: | Coenus Scaldingus [ Wed Jan 01, 2014 12:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pro-create V green stuff |
Simply get both. The more I work with various types, the more I notice how they are great for specific tasks. Many may not like the stickiness of green stuff, but it can be very useful too - it is easy to not make it stick to tools by keeping those wet anyway. Pro-create is definitely better in that it is very sensitive, any single thing you do will be visible. Excellent for fine details, possibly disadvantageous for some areas and simply unnecesary for many parts of a model. Still, I prefer green stuff for most tasks, probably also because I've gotten used to that! And it's not like you can't get fine details with green stuff (many professional sculptors use it!). Try them both, see which you prefer or if you simply like to keep using both. You can even mix them to have the best of both some stickiness and smoothness (and a nicely weird colour to boot!). |
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| Author: | Ukfreddybear [ Wed Jan 01, 2014 1:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pro-create V green stuff |
Pro create is different in that it was specifically designed for sculpting miniature figures. None of the others were, although along the way people discovered it was possible to do so. I used to use greenstuff and found if I mixed it with milliput superfine white I got the perfect medium. Then ProCreate came about which behaves exactly the same as my mix so it is a no brainer for me. I still use brown stuff as you can't beat it for square edges, but I heard a rumour that its being discontinued so grab some if you can. I have never used polymers like Fimo so I can't vouch for them. The idea of putting it in the same oven I cook food in doesn't appeal to me. |
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| Author: | Dead Marsh Spectre [ Wed Jan 01, 2014 3:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pro-create V green stuff |
ukfreddybear wrote: The idea of putting it in the same oven I cook food in doesn't appeal to me. Hahah - Dave seriously - you have never used an oven or probably never even cooked food have you ? |
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| Author: | JamesR [ Wed Jan 01, 2014 3:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pro-create V green stuff |
Thank you all for the advice and feedback. Hoping to enter some sculpting challenges this year
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| Author: | Hodush [ Wed Jan 01, 2014 9:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pro-create V green stuff |
One must have tool is a shaper (rubber like bit on the end of a stick). When it comes to joining or smoothing two parts, ordinary tools move too much putty around and while fingers do an ok job, they are normally too big or leave a fingerprint which is why you should get the shaper. (all advice based on using GS). |
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| Author: | Ukfreddybear [ Wed Jan 01, 2014 10:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pro-create V green stuff |
As well as different shapes, silicone tipped clayshapers now come in soft or firm rubber. I picked up some firm ones this week to experiment with. I have only used soft in the past. @DMS. I think I cooked a frozen pizza once 
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| Author: | ste271276 [ Tue Jan 28, 2014 4:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pro-create V green stuff |
Best place to buy pro create from? |
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| Author: | Ukfreddybear [ Thu Jan 30, 2014 8:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pro-create V green stuff |
I got my last lot from El Greco Miniatures. £10.60 delivered for a big pack. |
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| Author: | samoht [ Fri Jan 31, 2014 12:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pro-create V green stuff |
procreate is better methinks |
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