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Author:  Noddwyr [ Fri Jul 30, 2010 2:38 am ]
Post subject:  Rivendell 500pts and 1000pts SBG
So I have and WE army and want tot start another one, I looked at having Galadhrim in another thread, but want to explore a possible Rivendell army. I have two lists, let me know which one you think is better and any changes and improvements to be made.

Rivendell
Monkey Twins w/heavy armour and elf bow -160
20 Elf Warrior w/heavy armour, shield and spear - 220
10 Elf Warrior w/heavy armour, elf bow and spear -120
500pts, 32 units,10 bow+2 shots, 6 might

With expansion into 1000 points looking like this:
Rivendell
Monkey Twins w/heavy armour and elf bow -160
29 Elf Warrior w/heavy armour, shield and spear - 319
14 Elf Warrior w/heavy armour, elf bow and spear -168
Lothlorien
Galadriel, Scary - 125
10 Guards of the Galadhrim Court - 120
5 Galadhrim Knight w/bow and shield -100
992pts, 61 units,19 bow+2 shots, 9 might

What does everyone think? i dont have these models yet, so any suggestions are welcome, even other potential allies and such.
Author:  General Elessar [ Fri Jul 30, 2010 12:10 pm ]
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I think both lists could do with more models; I think the only way to do that would be to take cheaper Heroes, yet you haven't actually spent many points on Heroes... How about dropping the spears on the Elf Warriors with shields, that should allow you to take a couple more models.
Author:  whafrog [ Fri Jul 30, 2010 1:59 pm ]
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Pretty low numbers in the first list. You could benefit from a few elf blades in each list. I used to think they were almost pointless, but have slowly been convinced they're not. Replace a few of those HA/spear/shield with elf blades. You could also get a couple more models by taking the HA away from your bowmen. You'd have to use WE models to represent them.

Second list is great IMHO. Better wrt numbers, since everyone's max is 75, and once they're broken they'll run away more often. I'd remove 1 Guard, since that leaves you 20 points left for a couple of elf blade warriors (and since there's 3 to a blister, you only have to buy 3, not 4 with 2 models unused :) )
Author:  spuds4ever [ Fri Jul 30, 2010 2:52 pm ]
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In the second list, I might try and find a way to squeeze in a mounted hero to lead your cavalry. A few more knights wouldn't hurt, you can already squeeze one in by replacing a GotGC.
Author:  Noddwyr [ Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:28 pm ]
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Thanks for the advice guys, I have made some adjustments based on your input. What about this?

Rivendell
Monkey Twins w/heavy armour and elf bow -160
6 Elf Warrior w/heavy armour, shield and spear - 66
11 Elf Warrior w/heavy armour, shield - 110
11 Elf Warrior w/ elf bow and spear -110
5 Elf Warrior w/ elf blade - 50
496pts, 35 units,11 bow+2 shots, 6 might

With expansion into 1000 points looking like this:
Rivendell
Monkey Twins w/heavy armour and elf bow -160
21 Elf Warrior w/heavy armour, shield and spear - 231
13 Elf Warrior w/heavy armour, elf bow and spear -156
6 Elf Warrior w/heavy armour, and elf blade - 60
Lothlorien
Galadriel, Scary - 125
9 Guards of the Galadhrim Court - 108
5 Galadhrim Knight w/bow and shield -100
3 Galadhrim Knight w/ shield -57
997pts, 60 units,18 bow+2 shots, 9 might
Author:  ncea [ Fri Jul 30, 2010 11:40 pm ]
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I like your new 500pt list it seems better than the first one you posted. You other list just seemed boring having only 2 types of elf warriors. Well i like it :) .
Author:  whafrog [ Fri Jul 30, 2010 11:41 pm ]
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For the first list you might as well use the 4 points left over to give your HA/shield models some spears... So 10 and 7 respectively, rather than 6 and 11. Second list looks pretty interesting, curious how it will fare.
Author:  Noddwyr [ Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:52 am ]
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Thanks whafrog. I changed that up. What do you mean by interesting?
I have somewhat rethought the lists and this is what I came up with:

Rivendell
Monkey Twins w/heavy armour and elf bow -160
10 Elf Warrior w/heavy armour, shield and spear - 110
7 Elf Warrior w/heavy armour, shield - 70
11 Elf Warrior w/ elf bow and spear -110
5 Elf Warrior w/ elf blade - 50
500pts, 35 units,11 bow+2 shots, 6 might

With expansion into 1000 points looking like this:
Rivendell
Monkey Twins w/heavy armour and elf bow -160
Glorfindel w/ Asfaloth - 150
23 Elf Warrior w/heavy armour, shield and spear - 253
16 Elf Warrior w/heavy armour, elf bow and spear -192
9 Elf Warrior w/heavy armour, and elf blade - 90
Lothlorien
Stormcaller - 60
5 Galadhrim Knight w/ shield -95
1000pts, 57 units,16 bow+2 shots, 9 might

Alternatively:
Rivendell
Monkey Twins w/heavy armour and elf bow -160
Elrond - 170
24 Elf Warrior w/heavy armour, shield and spear - 264
16 Elf Warrior w/heavy armour, elf bow and spear -192
9 Elf Warrior w/heavy armour, and elf blade - 90
Grey Company
2 Rangers of the North w/ spear - 52
8 Rangers of Arnor w/ spear - 72
1000pts, 62 units, 24 bow+2 shots, 11 might
Author:  spuds4ever [ Sat Jul 31, 2010 2:42 pm ]
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I find that Rivendell+Grey Company tends to make very boring armies (I've done it myself).
Author:  whafrog [ Sat Jul 31, 2010 5:36 pm ]
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I meant "interesting-good" not "interesting-sarcastic" :) I'd like to try it out myself.
Author:  Noddwyr [ Sun Aug 01, 2010 1:15 am ]
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Right thanks guys! :D
@ spuds yeah I guess, that much shooting gets boring pretty fast.
@whafrog, thanks for clarifying, its always hard to gauge these things on the internet.
I am going to leave at these 2 lists, unless anyone has any comments.

Rivendell
Monkey Twins w/heavy armour and elf bow -160
10 Elf Warrior w/heavy armour, shield and spear - 110
7 Elf Warrior w/heavy armour, shield - 70
11 Elf Warrior w/ elf bow and spear -110
5 Elf Warrior w/ elf blade - 50
500pts, 35 units,11 bow+2 shots, 6 might

Rivendell
Monkey Twins w/heavy armour and elf bow -160
21 Elf Warrior w/heavy armour, shield and spear - 231
13 Elf Warrior w/heavy armour, elf bow and spear -156
6 Elf Warrior w/heavy armour, and elf blade - 60
Lothlorien
Galadriel, Scary - 125
9 Guards of the Galadhrim Court - 108
5 Galadhrim Knight w/bow and shield -100
3 Galadhrim Knight w/ shield -57
997pts, 60 units,18 bow+2 shots, 9 might
Author:  whafrog [ Sun Aug 01, 2010 1:53 am ]
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Lothlorien has 1 too many bows. You have 12 other warrior models, so you can have only 4 bowmen. Each ally has to conform to the 33% rule.

Removing the knight gives you enough points for one Rivendell bow + 1 Rivendell HA/shield/spear (since you were only at 997).
Author:  Noddwyr [ Sun Aug 01, 2010 2:08 am ]
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Though you appear to be right LOME excel army builder didnt tell me that and I didnt catch it. Thanks for the correction, I have made the appropriate adjustment in my army list.
Author:  Elrondio [ Sun Aug 01, 2010 9:02 pm ]
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I would suggest to take away a couple guards of caras galadhon to put in some galadhdrim foot troops in list number 2 :wink:
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