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| Author: | Lord Hurin [ Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:48 am ] |
| Post subject: | Grand Army of Angmar (WoTR) |
I've taken another look at the Angmar list and tried to re-write the list accordingly. Still don't want Gulavhar, he's just too "GW" for me. The Dwimmerlaik - 125pts The Tainted - 125pts Buhrdur - 125pts Spirits of the Ungrateful Dead - 240pts 4 Companies Ghostly Legion The Long-Dead Host - 240pts 3 Companies of Spectral Host Greater Orcs of Gundabad - 140pts 7 Companies of Orcs; Shields Hillmen of Rhudaur - 180pts 6 Companies of Carn Dum Warband Court of Fallen Kings - 120pts Man-Wolves - 120pts Shade - 100pts Allies The Shadow Lord - 125pts Wolves of Eriador - 100pts 5 Companies of Wargs Lesser Orcs of Gundabad - 140pts 7 Companies of Goblins; Shields Lesser Orcs of Gundabad - 120pts 6 Companies of Goblins; Shields 2000 Points Exactly |
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| Author: | spuds4ever [ Tue Apr 26, 2011 8:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Grand Army of Angmar (WoTR) |
I would look to some harder hitting formations in the angmar list. Perhaps swap a shade and a comp of goblins for Burdur as you lack some hard-hitting formations. You might even want to squeeze in Gulavar at this points' level as well. Small changes, if you want to be competitive, swap the warg chieftan for Thrydan (they probably won't be happy to see his little cape but that's their problem). If you have any of the models, some werewolves I think could be very fun to use as well. |
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| Author: | ForgottenLore [ Tue Apr 26, 2011 2:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Grand Army of Angmar (WoTR) |
spuds4ever wrote: If you have any of the models, some werewolves I think could be very fun to use as well. ???and what models would those be? |
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| Author: | Xelee [ Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Grand Army of Angmar (WoTR) |
There are a few suitable models in the various ranges out there. I do not like their abilities, for their cost, though. I would always include those two hero-monsters though, especcially for 2000pts. If you are going down the route of spirit troops as a base, then you defintily want the 'Spirit Legions of Angmar' battlehost. Overall, any mandatory troops for the Spirit legion aside, I think spirit cav is far superior to Spirit infantry and I feel spirit infantry that cannot be joined by Epics are particularly hampered. |
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| Author: | Lord Hurin [ Tue Apr 26, 2011 10:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Grand Army of Angmar (WoTR) |
So the ugly Troll and the Balrog-wannabe are practically musts for Angmar? Damn shame. |
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| Author: | Xelee [ Tue Apr 26, 2011 10:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Grand Army of Angmar (WoTR) |
Nothing is a must. I would always take them though. My take on the Angmar list is that some things are pretty good; some things are ok in some versions, or with the battlehost to go with them; then there is the rest, which are overpriced, and have problems with them. It is a reality of this game that you can't trust GW's points to reflect how useful things will be in-game. |
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| Author: | ForgottenLore [ Tue Apr 26, 2011 10:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Grand Army of Angmar (WoTR) |
Xelee wrote: It is a reality of this game that you can't trust GW's points to reflect how useful things will be in-game. Ain't that the truth. I have never actually seen an Angmar army being played, so my opinion is shakey at best, but I don't think I would include either of the monsters. The spirits are expensive enough as it is, I think I would rather save the points to get more bodies. That is a purely subjective, knee-jerk reaction based on very little evidence though. |
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| Author: | Xelee [ Wed Apr 27, 2011 12:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Grand Army of Angmar (WoTR) |
Forgottenlore, IMO that would be false economy. He is going to have to strike a balance between bodies and more expensive things, but I'd economise on spirit troops before I economised on those Monsters. They simply provide so much utility in terms of messing with your opponents - due to their mobility, dueling ability, and capacity to work flanks. Further, that free heroic fight of the wannabe balrog is going to be golden in terms of getting the most out of the spirit troops. I can only presume that the 'lesser orcs of Gundabad' could instead be allied blackshields, and so cancel out the overcosting of the spirit troops a little? |
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| Author: | Lord Hurin [ Sun May 22, 2011 11:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Grand Army of Angmar (WoTR) |
New list up... |
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| Author: | spuds4ever [ Mon May 23, 2011 6:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Grand Army of Angmar (WoTR) |
Looks good. If you want to ally in a competitive wraith, I wouldn't take the SL. Also, I might swap some orc companies out to make 2x4 companies of wargs. I might also try and get some more barbarians as you lack hard hitting formations except for the werewolves but they'll probably only last a turn, two if you're lucky. |
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| Author: | Lord Hurin [ Mon May 23, 2011 12:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Grand Army of Angmar (WoTR) |
spuds4ever wrote: If you want to ally in a competitive wraith, I wouldn't take the SL. That would be Khamul, I take it? I was considering him (and I have the model) but he seems one of the least themed Nazgul to have in an Angmar army. I do like the thought of more Barbarians though. Considering the fact that I was dreading the thought of finding 25mm-based Werewolves, I think I'll drop the Orcs and Werewolves for more. |
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| Author: | spuds4ever [ Mon May 23, 2011 12:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Grand Army of Angmar (WoTR) |
Khamul is the most competitive wraith and it would probably be best to take him but I wouldn't suggest him as I despise his "imbalanced-hood". I would probably go for the Undying who is nicely balanced imo (as far as wraiths go anyway). |
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| Author: | Lord Hurin [ Mon May 23, 2011 1:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Grand Army of Angmar (WoTR) |
Lord Hurin wrote: I've taken another look at the Angmar list and tried to re-write the list accordingly. Still don't want Gulavhar, he's just too "GW" for me. The Dwimmerlaik - 125pts The Tainted - 125pts Buhrdur - 125pts Spirits of the Ungrateful Dead - 240pts 4 Companies Ghostly Legion The Long-Dead Host - 240pts 3 Companies of Spectral Host Greater Orcs of Gundabad - 120pts 6 Companies of Orcs; Shields Barbarians of Carn Dum - 150pts 5 Companies of Carn Dum Warband Hillmen of Rhudaur - 180pts 6 Companies of Carn Dum Warband Court of Fallen Kings - 120pts Shade - 100pts Allies The Shadow Lord - 125pts Wolves of Eriador - 100pts 5 Companies of Wargs Lesser Orcs of Gundabad - 120pts 6 Companies of Goblins; Shields Lesser Orcs of Gundabad - 120pts 6 Companies of Goblins; Shields 43 Companies, 6 Might. 1990 Points Total Now I'm worried about too little Might. Should I drop a Formation of Goblins and add some Captains and the like? |
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| Author: | Ultragreek [ Mon May 23, 2011 4:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Grand Army of Angmar (WoTR) |
You could get witch king with cavalry (allies) to get behind the enemy to use his power... |
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| Author: | Lord Hurin [ Mon May 23, 2011 6:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Grand Army of Angmar (WoTR) |
Ultragreek wrote: You could get witch king with cavalry (allies) to get behind the enemy to use his power... I was actually considering swapping a unit of Goblins for Durburz and 3 Companies of Goblin archers. This would help alleviate two of my concerns; Might and ranged ability. |
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| Author: | Ultragreek [ Mon May 23, 2011 7:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Grand Army of Angmar (WoTR) |
Clever one althought goblins aren't too good archers... |
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| Author: | Lord Hurin [ Mon May 23, 2011 7:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Grand Army of Angmar (WoTR) |
Ultragreek wrote: Clever one althought goblins aren't too good archers... No they aren't, but it's themed and I have the models already. I don't really want to go the route of "hey look! sixteen crossbowmen from Isengard/ Umbar just happened to stroll past and decided to join the fray!" |
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| Author: | Ultragreek [ Tue May 24, 2011 4:47 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Grand Army of Angmar (WoTR) |
Okay...but i will join the fray
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| Author: | Xelee [ Wed Jun 08, 2011 9:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Grand Army of Angmar (WoTR) |
FWIW, I really like 20pt bow. I think they are good troops for their cost and fit easily neatly into the Angmar list. That stated, since I have no Goblins, I converted up some Siegebows with Carn Dum crew... |
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| Author: | Lord Hurin [ Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Grand Army of Angmar (WoTR) |
Xelee wrote: FWIW, I really like 20pt bow. I think they are good troops for their cost and fit easily neatly into the Angmar list. That stated, since I have no Goblins, I converted up some Siegebows with Carn Dum crew... Yeah, I've always had a "you get what you pay for" outlook on most things (though I wish the game designers did too...) so for a 60pt formation, I'm not expecting devastation. I'd just rather have Goblin archers than, say, Haradrim ones or crossbowmen. |
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