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All purpose Gonder SBG 500
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Author:  fritskuhntm [ Sun Jun 12, 2011 7:33 pm ]
Post subject:  All purpose Gonder SBG 500
Looking for a Something For Every Scenario army. I was thinking:

Fiefdom
Forlong the Fat mounted 70
8 Men at Arms of Dol Amroth 72
3 Rangers of Gondor

Tower of Echethelion
Beregond of Gondor 25
6 Knights of Minas Tirith w. Shield 84
11 W. of Mina Tirith w/ Shield 88
6 W. of Minas Tirth w/ Shield & Spear 54
8 W. of Minas Tith w. Bows 64

Rangers of Ithiian
Damrod 20'

45 Units 5 might 13 bow shots 6 cavalry 501 points

Opinions? :frodo:
Author:  SuicidalMarsbar [ Sun Jun 12, 2011 10:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: All purpose Gonder SBG 500
Well drop the rangers to get 3 more warriors of minas tirith with bows, that way you can atleast reach the volley limit. If you're gonna ally in 8 men at arms of dol amaroth with pikes then make sure you have 8 normal spearmen so you can form a real spearwall with pikes and spears. I assume forlong will be leading the cavalry and that should be fine. Damrod is a perfectly good choice but for only 10 points more eowyn is a better deal imo. Mount beregond so his might point can be used on getting the all important cavalry charge, then you can kill him off however you please, he could even engage a terrifying enemy and take a blow for the team while forlong retreats.
Author:  Lord Hurin [ Sun Jun 12, 2011 10:16 pm ]
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SuicidalMarsbar wrote:
Well drop the rangers to get 3 more warriors of minas tirith with bows, that way you can atleast reach the volley limit.


WoMT and Rangers can volley together. They have the same type of bow.
Author:  SuicidalMarsbar [ Sun Jun 12, 2011 10:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: All purpose Gonder SBG 500
Good point but having 3 d4 models amongst d5 really affects the survivability of a volley, a standard bow needs a 6 to kill a womt with bow and only needs a 5 to kill a ranger, if the 3 rangers die, the volley is ruined... Then yet again at 500 points volleys are not incredibly abundant. Btw i forgot to point out that i really like the list, sorry.
Author:  General Elessar [ Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: All purpose Gonder SBG 500
It has too much variety for my taste, but that's just me. Nevertheless, I would expect it to be reasonably effective.
Author:  cereal_theif [ Mon Jun 13, 2011 9:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: All purpose Gonder SBG 500
Keep the rangers to be honest, if you don't plan to volley much their 3+ to hit will add a random punch their warg riders etc might not be expecting but I would be tempted to drop something to give spears to the rangers and a horse to beregond.
Author:  fritskuhntm [ Tue Jun 14, 2011 9:55 am ]
Post subject:  Re: All purpose Gonder SBG 500
Eowyn replacing Damrod makes sense--and I gave her a horse instead of Forlong on horse, so her 2 might could benefit the cavalry, and keep Forlong with the troops (and save a conversion). Adjusted pikes to spears.

Eowyn w/ Horse 36

Boragond 25
10 WoMT w/ Shield 80
7 WoMT w/ Shield & Spear 63
8 WoMT w/ Bow 64
6 Knights oMT w/ Shield 84

Forlong the Fat 60
6 Men at Arms (pikes) 54
3 Rangers of Gondor 24

44 units 6 might, 11 bowshots 7 horse 500 points

Boragond's bodyguard rule needs a Minas Tirith hero...right? Dang. Hey...Rohan Royal Guard, since Eowyn is on the field.
Author:  SuicidalMarsbar [ Tue Jun 14, 2011 3:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: All purpose Gonder SBG 500
Actually i think its just a hero of gondor, and forlong the fat counts as a her of gondor i believe. I just imagine a really awful 80's sitcom about beregond and forlong getting into all sorts of crazy antics...
On another note, eowyn should probably have armour too :( and maybe a few more men at arms would't go a miss:

Forlong the fatty 60pts
Eowyn with horse and armour 41pts
Beregond 25pts
6 womt with shield 48pts
10 womt with shield and spear 90pts
8 womt with bow 64pts
8 men at arms of dol amaroth 72pts
2 rangers 16pts
6 komt with shield 84pts

Total: 500pts, 42 blokes and 1 bird, 6 might (4 expendable) 10 bows and 7 cavalry models
Author:  whafrog [ Tue Jun 14, 2011 4:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: All purpose Gonder SBG 500
It works, but I can't say it's very themed...
Author:  cereal_theif [ Tue Jun 14, 2011 4:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: All purpose Gonder SBG 500
drop beregond and eowyn (and a few soldiers) and take a mounted captain? More themed, less "for the sake of it"
Author:  SuicidalMarsbar [ Tue Jun 14, 2011 7:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: All purpose Gonder SBG 500
@ cereal thief: but that way you get 1 less might, 2 less fate and 1 less model, it isn't t even that thematically bad, all these characters were at pelennor fields.
Author:  cereal_theif [ Tue Jun 14, 2011 9:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: All purpose Gonder SBG 500
Yeah but when given the choice of a pure (same country) list or a mixed lists, i prefere the pure lists.
I know that is a radical idea in the tournie world but sometimes its ok to just do Gondor.
Btw both groups being at the P-fields doesnt mean they held hands and danced in the daisies. ;)

tbh I would mount beregond, drop eowyn and get damrod in there for better themed-ness (great word)
Damrod is a Dam(rod)n site more themed
Author:  spuds4ever [ Wed Jun 15, 2011 3:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: All purpose Gonder SBG 500
SMB's list is pretty good but the theme is already in a wooden box. The first list I think is a bit silly because of the MaAoDA supporting WoMT wasting their F4.

A good (fairly) themed list I think would have to be something like this:

Beregond on horse- 31 pts.
Forlong-60 pts.
12 GotFC shields- 132 pts.
6 CG on horse with longbow- 96 pts.
14 MaAoDA-126 pts.
6 rangers, spears- 54 pts.
total: 499 points, 40 tough units, 12 shots (6 mounted elf bows), 4 might.
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