Yep, too many captains. You answered, but that doesn't make your answer right
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| Author: | TheGoblinTacticus [ Fri Jul 15, 2011 9:33 am ] |
| Post subject: | SBG 500/750/1000 pts goblin army |
Hello, I'm going for some goblin armies, what do you think about these armies? 500 pts/ 47 units/ 6 might (dwellers below): 2 Goblin Captains w. shield 1 Goblin Captain w. bow 12 Goblin Warriors w.shield 12 goblin warriors w. spear 12 goblin warriors w.bow 8 giant spiders 750 (in fact 740) pts/ 74 units/ 12 mgt (dwellers below): 4 Goblin Captains w. shield 2 Goblin Captains w. bow 20 Goblin Warriors w. shield 20 Goblin Warriors w. spear 20 Goblin Warriors w. bow 8 Giant Spiders 1000 (in fact 995) pts/75 units/ 14 mgt (moria & Dol Guldur) Durbûrz 2 goblin captains w. bow 3 goblin shamans 1 spider queen The Undying on fell beast 20 Goblins w. shield 20 Goblins w. spear 20 Goblins w. bow 8 Giant Spiders Everybody is gonna complain about the captains, but I answered that about 10 times in this topic: viewtopic.php?f=49&t=20915 so check it out over there |
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| Author: | whafrog [ Fri Jul 15, 2011 11:43 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SBG 500/750/1000 pts goblin army |
Yep, too many captains. You answered, but that doesn't make your answer right
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| Author: | BlackMist [ Fri Jul 15, 2011 12:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SBG 500/750/1000 pts goblin army |
I don't wanna repeat myself about the captains - but how do you expect to win Contest of Champions with the 500 or 750 lists? How do you expect to win To Kill a King, when after break point your "King" runs away after 2 turns with a failed courage test? Competitive Goblin builds for 700pts are as follows: Spider Queen Shadow Lord on Fell Beast Durburz OR Captain 1/3 Prowlers or Blackshields 1/3 Goblins with Spears 1/3 Goblins with bows (half with spears) Shade Shadow Lord on Fell Beast Durburz OR Captain Blackshield Drum 1/3 Blackshields 1/3 Spearmen 1/3 Bowmen (half with spears) Note - these also can have 75 out of 75 models, your forces aren't the only ones that can do that Other armies are just not viable as far as winning tournaments goes. You'll find out yourself, but people have warned you about the captains Oh and in that 750 list, you were saying how captains allow you to go over bow limit - well you're 2 models below the limit. |
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| Author: | {aD}??? [ Fri Jul 15, 2011 12:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SBG 500/750/1000 pts goblin army |
I like your 500 point list but I would put durburz in it though. Just a question why do you like having heaps of captains? Curious that's all. |
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| Author: | whafrog [ Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SBG 500/750/1000 pts goblin army |
His rationale is in the thread he linked to. |
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| Author: | GothmogtheWerewolf [ Fri Jul 15, 2011 5:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SBG 500/750/1000 pts goblin army |
Goblin archer captains are a waste of points in my opinion. |
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| Author: | Shadowswarm [ Sat Jul 16, 2011 6:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SBG 500/750/1000 pts goblin army |
i wouldnt worry about 1000pts just yet, thats a ways away blackmist has listed some VERY competitive 700pt lists, so ill help u on 500pts now this list isnt ultra competitive like blackmists, but i hope you like it (i put in 6 spiders cause i thought u'd like them  )durburz 13 goblins with bows 14 goblins with spears 9 goblins with shields 5 prowlers w/ shields the spider queen 6 giant spiders 500pts, 49 models, 13 bows, 5 might (3 expendable, just for u BM )now your army wont run as soon as u break, you have great heros for contest of champions and to kill a king, AAAAAND you have spiders that should be lots of fun 
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| Author: | Erunion [ Sat Jul 16, 2011 6:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SBG 500/750/1000 pts goblin army |
That looks like a fun, themed 500 point list. Plenty of options to work with for pick-up style games. |
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| Author: | TheGoblinTacticus [ Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SBG 500/750/1000 pts goblin army |
Yeah, gonna do a tournement, and there is a contest of champions in it, so for that one, I'm going to take either the spider queen or durburz. But further on, I think I'm gonna stick to the captains. But thanks for help! |
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| Author: | GothmogtheWerewolf [ Sat Jul 16, 2011 4:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SBG 500/750/1000 pts goblin army |
Give all the captains shields then, bow-armed goblin captain's aren't very strategic. |
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| Author: | BlackMist [ Sun Jul 17, 2011 8:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SBG 500/750/1000 pts goblin army |
TheGoblinTacticus wrote: Yeah, gonna do a tournement, and there is a contest of champions in it, so for that one, I'm going to take either the spider queen or durburz. But further on, I think I'm gonna stick to the captains. But thanks for help! Why then ask for advice if you're not gonna follow it? Are you posting this for showoff? Every single poster told you that captains are a waste of points in that number, some have gone into detail explaining why, especially in the other post. Therefore your army is either genius, thought-provoking and beyond the understanding of all other gamers (including a 2 times LotR GT winner) or it is just really bad and you're wrong about the captains. Your choice though
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| Author: | TheGoblinTacticus [ Mon Jul 18, 2011 7:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SBG 500/750/1000 pts goblin army |
No, I said I know about what you think about the captains, and I think you might be right (it's my first time playing, and I'm going to try this, but of course if there is something like to kill a king, or contest of champions, my undying or Durburz will be in there!!!) the point is, how about the rest of the list? The bowarmed captains? Well, let's take the 750 pts army, I've got 6 groups, 4 battlegroups (5shield, 5spear) and they will both get a shield-captain, then i've got 2 archergroups, (10 archers) so if I put a bow-armed captain in there, i've got 1 extra volley shot over there, and still stand fast. That about it. I saw somebody giving me a 500 pts list? Well, it's a good list, but I don't like the prowlers, or better said, I like the prowlers, but Then I've to buy prowlers, wich would of course cost me money, and I can use some more normal goblins wich I already have, so spares me money. Sorry, but I've got no unlimited money so, that's a point. I'd more like to have some advice over the rest of the list, should I take wild wargs? Don't are a real fan of them, but did someone of you played with them? If you did, are they good? And taking a lot of goblins, would that be ok? |
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| Author: | Erunion [ Mon Jul 18, 2011 8:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SBG 500/750/1000 pts goblin army |
Personally, I plan on converting my Prowlers, because they only have the models with the two-handed weapons, and I want to have all the weapons options. Seems like it shouldn't be too hard/expensive to greenstuff some hoods onto a box of Goblins and convert the spears into two-handed weapons. |
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| Author: | Shadowswarm [ Thu Jul 21, 2011 5:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SBG 500/750/1000 pts goblin army |
dude you can just say that you dont have prowlers and we'll help u deal with that durburz 12 goblins with bows 13 goblins with spears 13 goblins with shields the spider queen 6 giant spiders 3 wild wargs 500pts, 49 models, 12 bows, 5 might just a slight change, also, you could remove the 3 wargs and 2 of the goblins for a bat swarm
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| Author: | GothmogtheWerewolf [ Thu Jul 21, 2011 1:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SBG 500/750/1000 pts goblin army |
Since we're on the subject, here is a 1000pt list you could try, again without prowlers: Durburz Goblin Shaman Druzhag 19 Goblins with shields 19 Goblins with spears 18 Goblins with bows 2 Cave Trolls 2 Bat Swarms Spider Queen 8 Giant Spiders 3 Wild Wargs 999pts, 75 models, 18 bows, 8 might or you could swap the trolls and bats for 2 Goblin Captains and a Cave Drake. Whichever suits your flavour. |
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