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WOTR Dol Guldor Army? Does this look themed?
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Author:  GothmogtheWerewolf [ Sun Sep 18, 2011 10:17 pm ]
Post subject:  WOTR Dol Guldor Army? Does this look themed?
The question above is what I want to know. Below are the participants for a 2,000pt Dol Guldor themed Mordor ARmy for WOTR, I would like to ask for advice on whether this is themed well enough. If Beowulf reads this, I'd especially like your inpput, but everyone else isjust as welcome. Thannkyou all :D

Epic Heroes
Khamûl the Easterling
The Undying
The Mouth of Sauron

Legendary Formations
The Spider Queen (Shelob)
Castellans of Dol Guldor

Common Formations
Mordor Orc Warband (4 companies) with two-handed weapons
Mordor Orc Warband (4 companies) with shields, Taskmaster
Mordor Orc Warband (3 companies) with bows
Morannon Orc Warband (4 companies) with shields
Warg Pack (4 companies)
Giant Spider Brood (3 companies)
Ghostly Legion (3 companies) with Captain

Rare Formations
Mordor Troll Chieftain
3 Mordor Trolls

Thanks again :-D
Author:  Hilbert [ Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:19 am ]
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Very good job... But maybe you can swap the one company of Castllans of Dol Guldur if you want for more numbers( Not that you need them :wink: )
Just a change...
Author:  GothmogtheWerewolf [ Mon Sep 19, 2011 2:25 pm ]
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Thank you Hilbert :) The castellans are mostly for fluff and because I've almost exhausted the amount of Dol Guldor themed troops (except Black Guards, but can't squeeze 3 comps with Cptn in), and yes there is already many numbers. They can sit there and quard archers. I use 1c of the, before and they did absolutely nothing but look pretty (on the plus side none of them were killed 8) )
Author:  General Elessar [ Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:09 pm ]
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It all looks pretty "themed", apart from the Mouth of Sauron.
Author:  Hilbert [ Mon Sep 19, 2011 5:17 pm ]
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Ok then... May this army brought you many victories and few defeats( No army is unbeatable to tell the truth :-D )
Author:  Beowulf03809 [ Mon Sep 19, 2011 9:22 pm ]
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As we've exchanged in some PMs, it's very similar to what I’ve played myself and what I’ve been building up to. I really like lots of common Orcs for any Mordor army. That’s how Tolkien wrote it and that’s how I like to play it. I use one Formation of Morannon Orc and like to bulk up the force and the rest are common Orcs. One of the few differences in the lists is that I use Warg Riders instead of Warg Packs, but that’s just because I am usually tight on ally points (Misty Mountain and Angmar needed to ‘theme’ it in my view).

The Shelob-as-Spider Queen is something I was starting to experiment with. She’s actually the model I’m building for the September Painting Challenge. She’s expensive but her special rules are great. I’ve had great success with Treebeard due to his ambush rule and overall stats, and can see using her in much the same way. And with her points in your core force vs. an allied Spider Queen you can direct even more points to allies if needed.

Regarding the Mouth, I was telling GothmogTheWerewolf that I have been using him since day 1 with my Dol Guldur force for a few reasons.

First, it helps cut a little of the Nazgul cheeze that plagues Mordor armies a lot of times while retaining the spell lists that complement the army well. Yeah, it’s not optimal, cost effective, etc., but for what I need it does very well, is a nice change of pace and many people I’ve played against have had positive things to say about seeing him vs. Yet Another Nazgul. Considering Khamul is really the most themed Dol Guldur leader (after Necromancer) and probably the most over-the-top Nazgul special rule I feel good tempering it a little.

Second, I believe that the Mouth of Sauron is very themed for this. Though not directly stated, I’ve always seen the Mouth as the dark rider that visits Erebor and asks the Dwarves to assist in locating Bilbo and the Ring prior to the Fellowship events (such a big deal is made with the Nine ride out later that I never thought it was a Nazgul). I believe he was also going to take over Isengard after Saruman was defeated, assuming Mordor won, so he wasn’t exactly “bound” to Barad-dur. He is the Word and Messenger of Saruon and considering how important Dol Guldur was in the Dark Lord’s plans for conquest there is no reason to think he wouldn’t be present there, checking on the state of things or bringing special instructions from Saruon. So my very first Dol Guldur army went forth with the Mouth and Khamul riding at its lead and he’s present in about 75% of the lists I play themed there.
Author:  GothmogtheWerewolf [ Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: WOTR Dol Guldor Army? Does this look themed?
Thank you Beowulf, ahat do you think of the Undying, since Khamul was meant to have another Nazgul in Dol Guldor with him? I have used the no. of trolls you suggested.

Hilbert, thankyou, I might be using Angmar army in my next battle, but I'm torn between my 2 favourite armies (Angmar and Dol Guldor)

General Elessar, see Beowulf's reasoning, also the Mouth iss in Battle for Middle Earth II leading Dol Guldor.
Author:  Draugluin [ Wed Sep 21, 2011 4:55 pm ]
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GothmogtheWerewolf wrote:
General Elessar, see Beowulf's reasoning, also the Mouth iss in Battle for Middle Earth II leading Dol Guldor.


Cause that game is canon. :rofl:
Author:  GothmogtheWerewolf [ Wed Sep 21, 2011 9:52 pm ]
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:lol:

But even that game can get some things right. eg It puts spiders nests right outside the fortress of dol guldor, and on the map campaign thing, it is Khamul that is the only leader there. Anyway, it is quite reasonable to assume that the Mouth did spend some time there.
Author:  Draugluin [ Thu Sep 22, 2011 1:56 am ]
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Of course he could have been there, if he was thousands of years old then he must have lived there for a while. I'm just saying that BfME is not canon.
Author:  Hilbert [ Thu Sep 22, 2011 1:23 pm ]
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Probably he spent some time there... 8)
Author:  GothmogtheWerewolf [ Thu Sep 22, 2011 3:51 pm ]
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Exactly, Hilbert.

Draugluin, I wasn't saying it was canon.
Author:  Hilbert [ Thu Sep 22, 2011 7:27 pm ]
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Bfme series althought are awesome games have many un-canon 'things'... Two fo them that have stucked more in my mind is Morgomir and Glorfindel's silver hair!
:)
Author:  GothmogtheWerewolf [ Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:31 pm ]
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I have no problem with Glorfindel, and I don't mind Morgmir, except for the fact that a) he's a twilight wraith and b) he's too powerful. The worst thing is what theuy did with the dwarves. Though I only use the Mordor, Angmar, Goblins and Isengard forces anyway.
Author:  Hilbert [ Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:45 am ]
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Dwarves were really messed up... Dwarves with pike and great beasts made me :shock:
Anyway this army is themed and look at this(Althought I don't know if it canon...) 8)
http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Dol_Guldur_Mouth
Author:  Draugluin [ Fri Sep 23, 2011 5:06 pm ]
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That's not canon, and I was just joking, I figure most people know it's not canon. Glorfindel's name means "Golden Hair", so his silver hair in the game was dumb. I was kinda :roll: about Morgomir, it would make sense that the WK would have help, but giving him a physical form but NOT the WK? That was pretty dumb.
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