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Author:  NotLegolasJustTipsy [ Wed Sep 28, 2011 11:48 am ]
Post subject:  Evil Armies
What would you say is the next best Army to Mordor?
Author:  FireKnife [ Wed Sep 28, 2011 12:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Evil Armies
Isengard.

You have the options of heavy elites as your basic troops, Orcs to back them up and fill out the numbers and some great Heroes. This applies to both SBG and WotR.

Also look at the Harad and Easterling lists as they can be good for similar reasons.

'FireKnife'
Author:  whafrog [ Wed Sep 28, 2011 12:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Evil Armies
There is no "best". Just pick something according to your taste and go for it.
Author:  Hilbert [ Wed Sep 28, 2011 7:54 pm ]
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Finally someone that agrees that there isn't a 'best' army. :D
Author:  Draugluin [ Wed Sep 28, 2011 8:07 pm ]
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They are all designed to be "best" armies in the hands of someone who knows how to use them. It's just some of them are easier (Mordor, Isengard) to master than others (Rohan).
Author:  Hilbert [ Wed Sep 28, 2011 8:10 pm ]
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I agree with this... It's other, 'easy to start with' rather than 'is the best' 8)
Author:  GothmogtheWerewolf [ Wed Sep 28, 2011 9:12 pm ]
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Hilbert wrote:
I agree with this... It's other, 'easy to start with' rather than 'is the best' 8)


That is the difference between WOTR and SBG, in SBG there isn't a best list but there is in WOTR
Author:  FireKnife [ Wed Sep 28, 2011 10:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Evil Armies
When someone asks 'best' i usually put a begineer army as often the question (no offence) is asked by those that are new and after a good starter force that is easy to balance and play, not a force like Rohan that can take ages to get right.

'FireKnife'
Author:  GothmogtheWerewolf [ Wed Sep 28, 2011 10:06 pm ]
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I would have to agree with you Mr FireKnife.
Author:  NotLegolasJustTipsy [ Wed Sep 28, 2011 10:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Evil Armies
Thanx everyone for your honest answer, I need to look through all the army lists and pick the best one for me x
Author:  FireKnife [ Wed Sep 28, 2011 10:59 pm ]
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Quote:
Thanx everyone for your honest answer, I need to look through all the army lists and pick the best one for me x


Best thing you could do as every army offers something different to each player, like i prefer Isengard for its eliteness and its models.

'FireKnife'
Author:  Hilbert [ Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:41 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Evil Armies
And I prefer Angmar because Witch-king(favourite evil guy) is the leader... :D
Author:  GothmogtheWerewolf [ Thu Sep 29, 2011 5:03 pm ]
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I prefer Angmar because it has the W-K's pet werewolves, even when I don't use them, knowing that the W-K has lots back at home in his mansion, Carn Dum, keeping them safe from nasty elveses, dwarves and notsoevil men. I amagine the Witch-king sitting on his Iron Throne, all evi-looking, with a dozen werewolves prwoling, and a small but dangersous looking one sitting right by his feet, the W-K stoking it, and it growls softly.
Author:  Hilbert [ Thu Sep 29, 2011 6:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Evil Armies
Sure this werewolf was a blue-white huge one and they got it to Lotr Bfme2 Rotwk... :lol:
Author:  GothmogtheWerewolf [ Thu Sep 29, 2011 9:11 pm ]
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Now to you it may be huge, :twisted: but to the Witch-king, he's just a little pet :D
Author:  Hilbert [ Fri Sep 30, 2011 8:24 am ]
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Right words... You know you may change a little your army to have the specion legions of Angmar which may be expensive but is very useful... You have battlehosts, right?
Author:  GothmogtheWerewolf [ Fri Sep 30, 2011 1:08 pm ]
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If that was to me Hilbert, yess I do have battlehosts, but I will wait for a 2nd Shade.
Author:  Hilbert [ Fri Sep 30, 2011 4:23 pm ]
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It's okay... Just keep only the formations of this battlehost near them 8)
Author:  GothmogtheWerewolf [ Fri Sep 30, 2011 9:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Evil Armies
And low fight value formations with no epic heroes in them like Ruffians, Blackshields, perhaps Orcs. As it doesn't make much difference to them.
Author:  Xelee [ Tue Oct 04, 2011 11:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Evil Armies
FireKnife wrote:
When someone asks 'best' i usually put a begineer army as often the question (no offence) is asked by those that are new and after a good starter force that is easy to balance and play, not a force like Rohan that can take ages to get right.

'FireKnife'

Fireknife, that is as good an answer as any I've seen.

However, it's been my observation (with one exception) that it isn't the lists themselves so much as certain groups within them. So you can easily make decent Rohan and Angmar lists by focusing more on value (though Elves? Don't know either.) however a couple of the lists contain particular clusters of undercosted footsoldiers and heroes. So Mordor is considered good for beginners because their 'elite' Morranans are 10pts (ie almost 2/3 the cost) cheaper ea than an 'elite' Uruk Hai coy for little appreciable difference in capability and then Gothmog is very cheap and Ringwraiths are Mastery 3 Darkness casters with bonuses. Something similar happens with Misty Mountains.

Now, to most people's credit, you don't always see Moria and Mordor lists made that way - so they may not have any real edge over say an Isengard list. However, they can be made much stronger and it is immediately obvious to players building their lists how this can be done.

I think the bigger issue for this game is not lists themselves, but the combination of how some of the groups of units within lists are costed and the very generous ally allocations. If the problem in the fisrt place is underpricing some things, then making an ally allocation based on price isn't exactly the most meaningful form of restriction. So what's the solution for Elves? Allying in heaps from the Gondor list, apparently! :rofl:
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