I agree with suicidalmarsbar, a themed option for a strong hero would be the new faramir captain of Ithillien. this way you would have a strong hero plus a banner for all those f3 troops.
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| Author: | WanderingDunedain [ Thu Oct 13, 2011 6:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Ithilien 500 point, 750 and 1000 point armies *updated* |
For a long time I've been obsessed with Ithilien and Osgiliath, so I decided to whack together a competitive army: 500 Points Ithilien: Hero's Cirion, Lieutenant of Amon Barad Damrod, Ranger of Ithilien Warriors 15 Warriors of Minas Tirith with Shields 15 Warriors of Minas Tirith with Shields and Spears 15 Rangers of Gondor Grey Company: 2 Rangers of the North 500 points total, 49 units 33% bows 6 might points 750 Points Ithilien: Hero's Cirion, Lieutenant of Amon Barad Damrod, Ranger of Ithilien Warriors 23 Warriors of Minas Tirith with Shields 23 Warriors of Minas Tirith with Shields and Spears 23 Rangers of Gondor Grey Company: 4 Rangers of the North 750 points total, 75 units 33% bows 8 might points What do you guys think? |
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| Author: | General Elessar [ Thu Oct 13, 2011 6:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ithilien 500 point and 750 point armies |
It's pretty good. However, if you're taking Rangers of the North, you should probably also take the Rangers of Arnor available with them. |
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| Author: | WanderingDunedain [ Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ithilien 500 point and 750 point armies |
I didn't want to go overboard on grey company, partly because of army theme, partly because I wanted a shield wall and partly because some local players outright refuse to play grey company forces |
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| Author: | Raggbur [ Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ithilien 500 point and 750 point armies |
Hmm... I'm thinking, how are you planning to field them ? |
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| Author: | Draugluin [ Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ithilien 500 point and 750 point armies |
What would be the point of him bringing along Rangers of Arnor? They have the same stats as the Rangers of Gondor. |
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| Author: | Meneldil [ Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ithilien 500 point and 750 point armies |
Draugluin wrote: What would be the point of him bringing along Rangers of Arnor? They have the same stats as the Rangers of Gondor. To increase the bow count I think. |
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| Author: | Draugluin [ Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ithilien 500 point and 750 point armies |
You already have enough bows, and the bow count has to go across the whole army as well, doesn't it? Anyways, it wouldn't increase it at all. You would basically just trade the names for 8 or 16 rangers, depending on which list. |
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| Author: | WanderingDunedain [ Thu Oct 13, 2011 8:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ithilien 500 point and 750 point armies |
should be pretty basic to field. main force lead by cirion (bout 8 spear men and 8 shields) a ranger or 2 with another force and have rangers based in cover to shoot out cavalry, trolls the usual and to protect my main force |
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| Author: | WayUnderTheMountain [ Thu Oct 13, 2011 8:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ithilien 500 point and 750 point armies |
Draugluin wrote: You already have enough bows, and the bow count has to go across the whole army as well, doesn't it? Anyways, it wouldn't increase it at all. You would basically just trade the names for 8 or 16 rangers, depending on which list. Nope. Bow Count has to be per contingent. In any case though, the Grey Company doesn't follow the bow count rule but they are required to have 1 Dunedain or 1 Ranger of the North for every four Rangers of Arnor. Could easily drop 1 Ranger of the North and get 3 Rangers of Arnor for the same price. |
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| Author: | Draugluin [ Thu Oct 13, 2011 8:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ithilien 500 point and 750 point armies |
So bow count is only per contingent, got it. |
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| Author: | SuicidalMarsbar [ Thu Oct 13, 2011 9:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ithilien 500 point and 750 point armies |
Hmm, i would NOT feel comfortable having f4 as the highest in my army. Get a better hero, at the very least upgrade Cirion into Arathorn..... |
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| Author: | Draugluin [ Fri Oct 14, 2011 12:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ithilien 500 point and 750 point armies |
He more than makes up for that in numbers. Arathorn isn't very themed with this though. The lists look good to me. |
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| Author: | fritskuhntm [ Fri Oct 14, 2011 4:48 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ithilien 500 point and 750 point armies |
I agree with suicidalmarsbar, a themed option for a strong hero would be the new faramir captain of Ithillien. this way you would have a strong hero plus a banner for all those f3 troops.
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| Author: | WanderingDunedain [ Fri Oct 14, 2011 5:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ithilien 500 point and 750 point armies |
150 points is just too much to pay for a hero such as Faramir captain of Ithilien, as it compromises the numbers of the force, which is kind of what I was going for. I would however consider trading out some rangers of the north for Faramir Captain of Gondor with heavy armour. I drew up some plans and for a slightly better 750 point army: Tower Of Ecthelion Faramir, Captain of Gondor with Heavy Armour Ithilien Heros: Cirion, Lieutenant of Amon Barad Damrod, Ranger of Ithilien Warriors 24 Warriors of Minas Tirith with Shields 24 Warriors of Minas Tirith with Shields and Spears 24 Rangers of Gondor 750 points maximum numbers maximum bows 7 might, happy days opinions? |
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| Author: | General Elessar [ Fri Oct 14, 2011 10:43 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ithilien 500 point and 750 point armies |
It's good, simple but effective. That said, it will be very vulnerable to armies with Strength 4, especially Uruk-hai. Make sure you don't get drawn into a battle of attrition with such an army, as you'll get slaughtered. I know Gondor normally can win a battle of attrition, indeed it's often the best tactic, but you won't stand a chance against anyone with Strength 4. |
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| Author: | WanderingDunedain [ Fri Oct 14, 2011 4:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ithilien 500 point and 750 point armies |
I reckon I would stand a chance against urakhai because or a decent amount of fire power and for once the forces of good will for once have the advantage of numbers. That being said however the white hand will be harder to face because of their strength value |
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| Author: | WanderingDunedain [ Sat Oct 22, 2011 11:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ithilien 500 point and 750 point armies |
*UPDATE* 1000 point list Tower Of Ecthelion Boromir Captain of the White Tower with Shield Faramir Captain of Gondor with Heavy Armour, Horse and Lance 12 Knights of Minas Tirith with Shield 6 Citadel Guards with Longbows Ithilien Cirion, Lieutenant of Amon Barad Damrod Ranger of Ithilien 18 Warriors of Minas Tirith with Shield 16 Warriors of Minas Tirith with Shield and Spear 14 Rangers of Gondor 3 Rangers of Gondor with Spear Thats 1000 Points, 13 Might Max Bows 73 in Numbers plan is Faramir leads cavalry, allowing heroic moves to stop them being ran down ect, they take objectives quickly/flank enemy units, (note my cavalry will be used as a reserve unit and not to just charge straight at the foe like a suicidal madman) Boromir and Cirion each lead a bunch of troops, prefferably a slightly larger group with cirion, allowing Boromir to do what he does best and take full advantage of his horn rule Damrod leads rangers not quite sure what i'm doing with the citidel gaurd yet, keeping them with the rangers, or advancing them slowly and eventually get them stuck into fighting hand to hand with there decent fight value what do you guys think? |
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| Author: | SuicidalMarsbar [ Sat Oct 22, 2011 2:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ithilien 500 point, 750 and 1000 point armies *updated* |
I think Madril is abetter choice than cirion, if you have to play a game with reinforcements his rule will be ridiculously good, whereas cirion's will likely not make any difference.... |
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| Author: | Draugluin [ Sat Oct 22, 2011 3:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ithilien 500 point and 750 point armies |
WanderingDunedain wrote: not quite sure what i'm doing with the citidel gaurd yet, keeping them with the rangers, or advancing them slowly and eventually get them stuck into fighting hand to hand with there decent fight value No matter what, have Boromir as the hero they guard. He's the hardest to kill so they'll be passing courage tests for basically the whole game. Make sure Boromir has enough units around him so he won't get surrounded. Send the citadel guards with Cirion, with his special rule they'll be your terror killers, just make sure they have enough back-up just in case. |
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| Author: | Dúnedain Ranger76 [ Sat Oct 22, 2011 4:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ithilien 500 point, 750 and 1000 point armies *updated* |
My Suggestion with your latest list is to drop Faramir with his heavy armor and have him lead his rangers. From my experience in playing a Rangers army, this is the best way to go due to he him being a good all around hero and that he can lend some rangers some might (Also one extra dice when shooting in groups  ) Plus then you can have some more extra points for adding some more troops or just giving Boromir a horse and have him lead the Knights. For the Citadel Guard I say have 3 bodyguard Cirion and another 3 Faramir so that If one dies you wont loose the courage bonus.
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