Who counts for grey company bow limit ?

Arthas367 · **Joined:** Sat Jan 17, 2015 11:27 am **Posts:** 158

Hello all

As I am putting together my grey company, I'm finding the blurb in the kingdoms of men slightly vague, do any of the name heroes count for the ranger of the north/ Dunedain bow ignore limit or is it just mini characters of the same name ?

Thanks any help would be appreciated

LordoftheBrownRing · **Posted:** Thu Jan 22, 2015 3:25 pm

Never mind I messed up lol

Rangefinder · **Posted:** Thu Jan 22, 2015 4:00 pm

Don't you still need to have a captain or hero to lead the 12 Rangers?
"Independent Hero" rule...?

LordoftheBrownRing wrote:

All the heroes are regular bow limit.
So if youre making an army, for example, here is how it looks:

Aragorn
8 warriors of arnor
4 rangers of arnor
^basic bow limit

Dunedain
4 Rangers of arnor

Ranger of the North
4 Rangers of Arnor

Ranger of the North
4 Rangers of Arnor

Malbeth
8 warriors of arnor
4 rangers of arnor

And thats an army.

LordoftheBrownRing · **Posted:** Thu Jan 22, 2015 4:06 pm

I guess I read further and Im wrong....apparently you can mix those two limits. So disregard the mixing of the 33% and the ranger/dunedain

Rangefinder · **Posted:** Thu Jan 22, 2015 4:21 pm

You could do this, I think...
I am not saying this is a list I would take, or even a good list.
Just an example of one.

Captian of arnor
12 rangers of arnor

Dunedain
Dunedain
Ranger of the North

LordoftheBrownRing · **Posted:** Thu Jan 22, 2015 4:34 pm

That looks right I guess. Nice emblem lol

Rangefinder · **Posted:** Thu Jan 22, 2015 4:41 pm

I went a while without one.
Felt like I needed one to round out my presence on the forum.

LordoftheBrownRing · **Posted:** Thu Jan 22, 2015 5:48 pm

Yeah hahah I noticed. Well it stands out thats for sure lol

Arthas367 · **Joined:** Sat Jan 17, 2015 11:27 am **Posts:** 158

So I take it none of the hero's count as Dunedain or Rangers of the North?

So another question, so the North/ Dunedain + Arnor Rangers ignore bow limit, but do they count as models overall for the 33% threshold? If the named heroes and such don't count as either for the ignore rule of grey company?

Mainly I ask because of taking a allied contingent, for my remaining 116 pts to expand my tool box abit, could they be mainly elf/ dwarf bows because I already 20 models but they ignore the theshold,

That being said was toying with a sample 500 pts warband

Arathorn
- Ranger of the North
- 4 x Rangers of arnor ( spear)
- Ranger of the North
- 4 x Rangers of Arnor ( spear)

Halbarad 65
- Ranger of the North
- 4 x Rangers of arnor ( spear)
- Ranger of the North
- 4 × Rangers of Arnor ( spear)

Frêrin · **Joined:** Tue Apr 08, 2014 1:50 pm **Posts:** 272

You have to have one unindependant hero to lead 12 warriors and the Rangers of the North/Dunedain are one man warbands.

Arthas367 · **Joined:** Sat Jan 17, 2015 11:27 am **Posts:** 158

Simple enough change

Arathorn
- 8 rangers of the arnor ( spear)

Halbarad
- 8 rangers of arnor ( spear)

4 x Rangers of the north

My same questions still stand

rumtap · **Posted:** Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:58 pm

each army has it's own sperate bow limit, not one combined bow limit.

So your rangers of arnor have their bow limit

Your elves or dwarves will have their own 1/3 limit.

So you can't take 24 warriors of arnor with 12 dwarves with bows for example.

Bronf · **Joined:** Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:40 pm **Posts:** 297

i thought hero's don't count towards the bowlimit and that u can have any amount of hero's in your army to have bows but you have to have 4 dundane/ ROTN for every 4 ranger of arnor

rumtap · **Posted:** Fri Jan 23, 2015 12:38 am

Bronf wrote:

i thought hero's don't count towards the bowlimit and that u can have any amount of hero's in your army to have bows but you have to have 4 dundane/ ROTN for every 4 ranger of arnor

Heros don't count.

I believe it's 1 dunadain/ROTN for every 4 regular rangers.

Arthas367 · **Joined:** Sat Jan 17, 2015 11:27 am **Posts:** 158

Much appreciated on all the answers

So can Rangers of the north lead troops or are you required to take a named character / captain of arnor to Marshall troops

Rangefinder · **Posted:** Fri Jan 23, 2015 4:11 am

You need a captain.
My example is correct.

Asamu · **Posted:** Fri Jan 23, 2015 5:17 am

The wording of the rule is:

Quote:

You may take a grey company force. If you do, your force (or an allied contingent in your force) that contains only models from the Arnor list can take up to 4 Rangers of Arnor for each ranger of the north or duendain it contains. It can do so even if this would take it above the normal bow limit.-> Implies they still count towards the normal bow limit if you have more rangers than 4 per dunedain/ranger of the north.

The rule doesn't state that they are ignored for the bow limit like for Riders of Rohan/Rivendell knights.
Basically, you can have 4 rangers for every dunedain/ranger of the north in your force OR 1/3 of your force with bows. No other heroes count as Rangers of the North or Dunedain.

So you can't have 12 rangers and 8 warriors of arnor if you only have 2 Rangers of the north/dunedain in the army.

Could be wrong, but that's how it reads to me. They still count as models with bows towards the standard bow limit, but they can use their special bow limit instead.

Arthas367 · **Joined:** Sat Jan 17, 2015 11:27 am **Posts:** 158

Thanks for the help all

So have a new draft need help on what to do with last 75

Arathorn
12 x Rangers

Halbarad
8 x Rangers

5 x Rangers of the north

Was thinking of maybe dropping 2 archers, and grabbing 6 soldiers of arnor, then distributing some spears to rangers

As it's stands I have 27 bows ( thinking I should drop to 25, for some combat support)

Anyhow thoughts ?

Asamu · **Posted:** Fri Jan 23, 2015 6:19 am

Arthas367 wrote:

Thanks for the help all

So have a new draft need help on what to do with last 75

Arathorn
12 x Rangers

Halbarad
8 x Rangers

5 x Rangers of the north

Was thinking of maybe dropping 2 archers, and grabbing 6 soldiers of arnor, then distributing some spears to rangers

As it's stands I have 27 bows ( thinking I should drop to 25, for some combat support)

Anyhow thoughts ?

Pretty solid, but Yeah, adding in some spears is a good idea.
I put spears on all of the rangers of the North so that they can be safe in combat and not risk losing the might without using it, then on 1/3-1/2 of the rangers.

Arathorn
12 rangers, 5 spears

Halbarad on Horse
11 rangers, 5 spears

6x rangers of the north w/ spears

Comes out to exactly 500 points.

You could drop a few rangers without spears for Warriors of Arnor if you wanted, though I'm not decided on whether or not it is worth it. It's basically 3 rangers + a ranger of the north or 3 warriors of Arnor and a Banner.

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