Hi everybody,
it's the first time I post a list so don't be afraid to give me advice

I'm going to play a match against a friend where the scenario will be picked randomly. We mainly play new Hobbit rules, except that we don't use special strikes for now, and with LOTR models (no Hobbit army yet).
My opponent has started a few armies (Isengard, Rohan, High Elves) and I believe he's going to use one of these 3 (not really competitive because of the lack of models).
He already played :
- Isengard : with a lot of scouts lead by Lurtz, a few warg riders and a small division of orcs, and Ugluk with warriors with shield or pike
- Eregion & Rivendell : with Gil-Galad (on foot, but I know he wanted to use him mounted), Elrond (LOTR profile), captain, and high elves with shield, lance, 2H, bow, including a banner too.


I've collected a few harad models and I wish to play with them. I wrote 2 lists for a 600pts match :

LIST A :
1) Suladan on Horse
3 serpent riders
2 Mahud Raider with War spear / blowpipe
1 Mahud Raider with blowpipe
2) Golden King
4 haradrim warriors with spear
4 Watcher of Kârna with bow
3 Abrakhân Guard
1 Half-Troll with 2H
3) Hâsharin
3 haradrim warriors with spear
4 Watcher of Kârna with bow
1 Half-Troll

==> 600 pts, 29 units, 6 might


LIST B :
1) Suladan on Horse
3 serpent riders
2 Mahud Raider with War spear / blowpipe
1 Mahud Raider with blowpipe
2) Hâsharin
4 haradrim warriors with spear
4 Watcher of Kârna with bow
3 Abrakhân Guard
1 Half-Troll
3) Knight Of Umbar with Horse
1 haradrim warrior with spear
4 Watcher of Kârna with bow
1 Half-Troll

==> 600 pts, 27 units, 7 might


What do you think of those two lists? Which might be better (against who) and why?


Thanks for your advice, and sorry for the bad English

I quite like the top list if u take some numbers out of the golden kings warband I suggest u replace suldan with mounted knight of umbar because if u don't is u have any hero with fight 6 facing u, u will be destroyed

Hello, thanks for your feedback
You are right, I surely need a F6 hero in the 1st list

Here's my new list :

KoU on horse
3 serpent riders
3 Mahud Raider with War spear / blowpipe
[I have given war spear to all 3 mahud raiders]
Golden King
3 haradrim warriors with spear
4 Watcher of Kârna with bow
3 Abrakhân Guard
1 Half-Troll with 2H
Hâsharin
3 haradrim warriors with spear
4 Watcher of Kârna with bow
No more Half-Troll

This brings me to a 601 points list (fun list, my friend won't be angry because of the +1 point ^^), with 27 units and 6 might (but with potentially F6 hero and a bit of magic).

I've chosen to drop a half-troll and a warrior, because I really like the Watcher of Kârna. I could have dropped 2 Watchers of Kârna instead of the single half-troll, but the list would have been 604 pts, which is a bit more. But I could have dropped a Watcher of Kârna and a Serpent Raider , kept the troll, which would have brought me to a 601 pts list with 26 models... What do you think of those alternatives?

Thanks !