I wouldn't use Saruman in 500 points especially if you are new to the game. He's very expensive and it take a bit of experience to get used to the more advanced magic that a wizard brings to the table.

Here's a 500 point list that is a bit bigger and with more shooting and combat. Obviously it depends if you have all the models or not

1. Uruk Captain with heavy armour and shield - General (makes a good general as he's D7 so not as easy to wound compared to the named characters)
2 Uruk Warriors - shield
2 Berserkers
7 Uruk Warriors - pike

2. Lurtz
2 Berserkers
6 Uruk Warriors - pike

3. Vrasku
10 Uruk Warriors - crossbows

Alternatively if you do want to try out magic do you have a Shaman ? He gives you nice support magic in Fury so your troops get a save (6+ or 5+ if channeled) and don't run away as easy. You would lose out on might but you could trade Lurtz for him and another warrior. Or if you want to go pure combat switch Vrasku and the crossbows for a Shaman and another combat warband.

Something like

1. Uruk Captain with heavy armour and shield - General (makes a good general as he's D7 so not as easy to wound compared to the named characters)
3 Uruk Warriors - shield
2 Berserkers
6 Uruk Warriors - pike

2. Lurtz
3 Uruk Warriors - shield
1 Berserker
6 Uruk Warriors - pike

3. Vrasku
3 Uruk Warriors - shield
1 Berserker
6 Uruk Warriors - pike

BigDog thats epic! one problem i dont have a Uruk Captain

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BigDog thats epic! one problem i dont have a Uruk Captain

I'd agree with SD about not using Saruman at 500pts. If he gets taken out early then that's a big chunk of points gone, and even if he stays around there's no gurantee that he'll make his points back.

That said, if you are set on using him, make sure to use him to his full advantage. Use spells like immobilise and command whenever possible with that free point of will a turn, even if it's just against a plain warrior.

Personally I'd run one of the lists that BigDog has written. 32 troops at 500pts is very good for Isengard, especially with all that strength 4.

What army is your opponent running?

Hello again,

with the miniatures i have so far does this work?

Lurts 60pt 4 beserker 60pt 4 sheild 40pt = 160

Vrasku 60PT 9 xbows 99Pt = 159

Ugluk 60Pt 8 pikes 90Pt 4 Sheils 40pt = 180

Yeah that looks like a decent starter army. You can always buy new units later to experiment but you've got a good start there. I'd probably set it up

Lurtz - 2 berserker, 4 shield, 4 pike
Ugluk - 2 berserker, 4 shield, 4 pike
Vrasku - 9 crossbows

and I'd go with Lurtz as the general purely because if he gets into a tricky situation he can shield which makes him a tiny bit more survivable than ugluk. But 9 might and a decent sized force should be a good start.

Dwarves will be a tough match up if he has lots of D7 as it negates your S4 but you should have more models and can soften him up a bit with crossbows.

Also it's always important to try and make a force that's solid against all armies rather than tailoring to face just one faction. Especially in a tournament list.

Just a note, I'm quite new to the forum too but I don't think they like you posting exact points values so maybe best to take those out.