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Author:  MeatBoy1994 [ Thu Mar 29, 2012 8:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Pike and spear differences
I dont understand the differences, nor do I understand the Easterling warrior 'Phalanx' special rule. Help?? :roll:
Author:  cereal_theif [ Thu Mar 29, 2012 8:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Pike and spear differences
you can have spear n bow but you cant have pike n bow.

you can only be supported by 1 spear but if a pike comes along the chain can be 2 long so long as a pike is the 3rd model.

e.g. m = man with sword, s = man with spear, p = man with pike
M S S
In this case the man gets +1 attack from the first spear but nothing from the 2nd

M S P
In this case the man gets +2 attacks, 1 from the spear and 1 from the pike

M P P
Also +2 attacks

M P S
+1 attack because the spear is too short to reach the dude.
Author:  Draugluin [ Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:05 pm ]
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You also can't have a shield with a Pike, but Easterlings can because of their special rule.
Author:  Phoenix1986 [ Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:52 pm ]
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remember a model with a spear/pike can only support a model with the same size base (Trolls can support Cavalry :))
Author:  hithero [ Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:05 pm ]
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Phoenix1986 wrote:
remember a model with a spear/pike can only support a model with the same size base (Trolls can support Cavalry :))


That's a myth, the rules say that only models on foot can be supported, not cavalry. And the base size rule is that a model can only support one with the same size or smaller base.
Author:  GothmogtheWerewolf [ Fri Mar 30, 2012 12:10 am ]
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A Cave Troll can support a Morai Goblin, but not vice versa. An Isengard Troll can support anything that is mounted, or a Mumak, Great Beast, Dragon, Cave Drake or the Watcher.
Author:  Draugluin [ Fri Mar 30, 2012 4:42 am ]
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Mumaks have much bigger bases than a troll, and they are mounts, which cannot be supported.
Author:  GothmogtheWerewolf [ Fri Mar 30, 2012 10:57 am ]
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Sorry, what i meant to say was:

GothmogtheWerewolf wrote:
A Cave Troll can support a Moria Goblin, but not vice versa. An Isengard Troll can support anything unless it is mounted, or is a Mumak, Great Beast, Dragon, Cave Drake or the Watcher.
Author:  Phoenix1986 [ Fri Mar 30, 2012 11:29 am ]
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i dont see where it says a mounted model cannot be supported (it clearly states that only a model on foot can support)
Author:  cereal_theif [ Fri Mar 30, 2012 3:11 pm ]
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I also don't see this rule though I do play by it.
Author:  hithero [ Sun Apr 01, 2012 9:12 am ]
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Phoenix1986 wrote:
i dont see where it says a mounted model cannot be supported (it clearly states that only a model on foot can support)


Crikey, you are correct, I guess cavalry never get supported as only trolls have a big enough base, infantry and spear-armed. Never seen it happen in a decade of gaming LOTR.
Author:  GothmogtheWerewolf [ Sun Apr 01, 2012 12:03 pm ]
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Oh really, well who'd pay 81 or 106pts for a spearmen for their cavalry anyway.
Author:  imrail [ Sun Apr 01, 2012 3:21 pm ]
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GothmogtheWerewolf wrote:
Oh really, well who'd pay 81 or 106pts for a spearmen for their cavalry anyway.


Would be a funny sight, troll trying to stab the enemies over his allies.
I doubt the troll would be that smart to try that.
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