Black = Orc
Blue = Other model
If the defeated and outnumbered model moves 1" perpendicular to the red line then he will be 1.4" away from both.
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| Author: | tlotrsbg [ Mon Aug 13, 2012 3:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | trapped question |
I have a question, if 2 orcs and are lined up perfectly on either side in a line around an elf lets say and that elf loses the fight is he trapped? really the question could be can you move futher than 1 inch to avoid being trapped? .. as I dont think there is a way to move to the side 1 inch and be an inch away from them both. if that doesnt make sense I can try to explain it better |
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| Author: | DomyHill [ Mon Aug 13, 2012 3:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: trapped question |
I don't really understand what you're asking. |
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| Author: | SouthernDunedain [ Mon Aug 13, 2012 4:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: trapped question |
Dont think so as the elf could still move away. Orc Elf Orc If the elf lost, would it not go 'down' |
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| Author: | tlotrsbg [ Mon Aug 13, 2012 4:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: trapped question |
I think you are right as the rules say about the common way to trap being 3 models on one but it also doesnt say as far as I can see that you can move over 1 inch when pushed back after losing so I guess it hinges on that ... if I see Alexio Cavatore at the next Salute I plan on asking him lol |
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| Author: | DomyHill [ Mon Aug 13, 2012 4:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: trapped question |
Black = Orc Blue = Other model If the defeated and outnumbered model moves 1" perpendicular to the red line then he will be 1.4" away from both. |
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| Author: | whafrog [ Mon Aug 13, 2012 4:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: trapped question |
No, as someone else explained to me (I believe it was hithero or BlackMist), the model has to be able to move 1". This does not mean it has to end up 1" away from all combatants. |
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| Author: | hithero [ Mon Aug 13, 2012 9:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: trapped question |
DomyHill wrote: Black = Orc Blue = Other model If the defeated and outnumbered model moves 1" perpendicular to the red line then he will be 1.4" away from both. It would actually be less than 1/2" away as you measure between the closest points, the model isn't trapped and the criteria is only to move 1" away, nothing about direction or distance apart. |
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| Author: | MWL Glamdring [ Mon Aug 13, 2012 10:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: trapped question |
So models don't have to move straight back from a fight then can move any direction as long as its 2cm? |
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| Author: | SidTheSloth [ Tue Aug 14, 2012 6:44 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: trapped question |
Quote: So models don't have to move straight back from a fight then can move any direction as long as its 2cm? I'm pretty sure they can't move into another fight |
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| Author: | tlotrsbg [ Tue Aug 14, 2012 9:09 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: trapped question |
thanks for the answers, I think Whafrog / Hithero may have the right idea and it seems to make the most sense |
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| Author: | BlackMist [ Tue Aug 14, 2012 10:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: trapped question |
The only thing that the lost model has to do is MOVE 1". It does not matter at all in what direction he moves as long as he makes a full 1" move. |
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| Author: | ScarpeIron [ Tue Aug 14, 2012 3:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: trapped question |
It is correct that they can not enter another fight, BUT they can move into another models control zone (friend or foe). Even the model that is "Make Way for Friends" can move into another models control zone (ORB pg29). |
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| Author: | theavenger001 [ Tue Aug 14, 2012 6:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: trapped question |
Quick nit-pick here that popped into my mind. You have to move 1" to not be trapped. In the movement section it says you can move back and forth if you want to, but it takes movement. Therefor, as long as you have even half a cm to move you can say you're moving back and forth in that space to make up your 1" you need to move to not be trapped. It's very cheap and I would never use it, but by the rules, as long as you have a tiny bit of space (you're not surrounded by three or more guys equadistant) you can't be trapped....Or am I missing something? 
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| Author: | SidTheSloth [ Tue Aug 14, 2012 6:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: trapped question |
that sounds a bit dodgy really i was under the impression that you had to move straight back and not be in any enemy control zones at the end of your move if you could move into other control zones than surely you could fight 2 fights in 1 fight phase? |
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| Author: | theavenger001 [ Tue Aug 14, 2012 10:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: trapped question |
SidTheSloth wrote: that sounds a bit dodgy really i was under the impression that you had to move straight back and not be in any enemy control zones at the end of your move if you could move into other control zones than surely you could fight 2 fights in 1 fight phase? You do not have to move straight back, and you can go into control zones, as long as you don't go into base contact. As far as I understand it anyways. |
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| Author: | ScarpeIron [ Wed Aug 15, 2012 12:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: trapped question |
theavenger001; you mentioned something about back-n-forth in the Movement section to avoid being trapped, but I've not read it. I just finished reading that section. If my eyes are failing me, that is my fault, but I can not find anything that states you can "move back and forth if you want to" to avoid being trapped. It clearly states that the defeated must move 1"/2cm backfrom the winner. I have listed the page, in my previous post, in the ORB for reference. |
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| Author: | whafrog [ Wed Aug 15, 2012 12:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: trapped question |
I don't think he was saying it specified "to avoid being trapped", just that the movement rules allow you to move any old way you want in the Move phase. I don't think this translates to "moving back from losing a fight" though. It's a different kind of movement and at least the spirit of the rules seems pretty clear. |
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| Author: | theavenger001 [ Wed Aug 15, 2012 4:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: trapped question |
whafrog wrote: I don't think he was saying it specified "to avoid being trapped", just that the movement rules allow you to move any old way you want in the Move phase. I don't think this translates to "moving back from losing a fight" though. It's a different kind of movement and at least the spirit of the rules seems pretty clear. Glad that's the way you think too. Imo it's definitely not in the spirit of the rules (to move back and forth to avoid being trapped), and like I said before you would get trapped way less often.....But it just popped into my head and I wondered if others had thought about it. |
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| Author: | hithero [ Wed Aug 15, 2012 6:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: trapped question |
Being pushed back is not part of the movement phase so movement rules do not apply. For example, you do not get pushed back 1/2" in difficult terrain, it's still an 1". |
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| Author: | theavenger001 [ Thu Aug 16, 2012 8:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: trapped question |
Hith, that makes sense. Glad to know that that's not a loop-hole.
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