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| Author: | thatguy513 [ Mon Dec 02, 2013 1:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Dwimmerlaik Special Ability |
I have the rules for Dwimmerlaik but encountered an instance where a ruling is needed: A certain spell caster (Gandalf) has 3 will and uses 2 will to use a spell (immobilise). If the caster is in range of the Dwimmerlaik's special requiring rerolls on the used will points - the caster successfully casts with both will dice rolls - the Dwimmerlaiks special causes two rerolls (as it affects the rwill point rolls not the casting of the spell) resulting in 4+ on each of the dice... The Dwimmerlaik's special causes will point #3 to go away but what about the second of the rolled dice that requires an additional will point to be spent? Will that negate the caster's power altogether as he does not have the additional point to spend? Or does the one will point (#3) that was used because of the Dwimmerlaiks ability allow the ability to be successful? Thank you very much! |
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| Author: | Bilbo [ Mon Dec 02, 2013 3:48 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dwimmerlaik Special Ability |
No ruling needed, its quite simple. If a point of Might, Will or Fate is expended within 12 inches of the Dwimmerlaik, on the roll of a 4+ per Might, Will, or Fate expended means that another point of either Might, Will or Fate must be spent to stop the original point of whatever being lost. If Gandalf casts a spell successfully, both of two dice representing two Will points spent high enough to cast the spell, and the Dwimmerlaiks "Sap Fortitude" takes effect on one of the two successfully cast will roll dice (the player having rolled a 4+ on one of the dice, but rolling a 1, 2 or 3 for the other due to "Sap Fortitude") the player controlling Gandalf still has one successful dice roll which is all he needs to cast the spell. He could spend an extra Will to bolster the other will jeopordised by "Sap Fortitude", but does not have to. If Gandalf has successfully cast the spell on a low number (which may be easily resisted by a model with Will points!) and the dice roll for the will point that is at risk was a high number lets say a 6 (which if the target of the spell is able to resist by spending Will points) is going to be unlikely to do so without spending several and probably some Might as well, it may be well worth Gandalf spending an extra will point, or lowering his dice roll for "Sap Fortitude" with Might. |
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| Author: | SouthernDunedain [ Mon Dec 02, 2013 6:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dwimmerlaik Special Ability |
You cannot alter the 'sap fortitude' roll with might. |
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| Author: | Denizen [ Mon Dec 02, 2013 7:11 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dwimmerlaik Special Ability |
I'm afraid you are wrong Bilbo, or that's not the way we play it. His rule reads 'or the deed (not point) is cancelled'. So when Gandalf spends 3 will on a spell he must roll 3 dices (regardless of what the previous dices were for casting). For every 4+ rolled an extra will must be spend. So asuming Gandalf succesfully casted his spell but rolled 2 4+'s. His spell will cost 5 will points or be cancelled and 3 will points wasted. So in your occasion that would be 2 Will points gone without any effect (since he does not have 4). |
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| Author: | Bilbo [ Mon Dec 02, 2013 6:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dwimmerlaik Special Ability |
Denizen wrote: I'm afraid you are wrong Bilbo, or that's not the way we play it. His rule reads 'or the deed (not point) is cancelled'. So when Gandalf spends 3 will on a spell he must roll 3 dices (regardless of what the previous dices were for casting). For every 4+ rolled an extra will must be spend. So asuming Gandalf succesfully casted his spell but rolled 2 4+'s. His spell will cost 5 will points or be cancelled and 3 will points wasted. So in your occasion that would be 2 Will points gone without any effect (since he does not have 4). My word Denizen, it appears that you are right there! The Dwimmerlaik would appear to be nastier than I thought! |
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| Author: | muppetslayer101 [ Tue Dec 03, 2013 11:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dwimmerlaik Special Ability |
Sap fortitude states that if a 4+ is rolled the caster or whatever must expend a further might will or fate or the action is lost. so basically if gandalf has 3 will, uses two and the dwimmerlaik rolls 2 4+s then the spell gandalf casts does not happen as he does not have enough will to support he spell, his action is lost. |
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