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Author:  Azrael [ Tue May 25, 2010 11:00 pm ]
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Now that this pathetic son of a ####ing mother-elf is out, he is one of the best things against uber-monsters and heroes....

Are you talking about Rumil? Why against uber-monsters and heros? :?
Author:  Elros of Numenor [ Wed May 26, 2010 12:34 pm ]
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Aristotle wrote:
Eureka! (I've got it!)


A gondor battlecry trebuchet. two shots from that baby will have that big ol' flaming sucker out of there instantly.

Strength 10 against defence 10. first direct hit causes wounds to be halved, second one wipes the floor with him.

There you go.
Author:  General Elessar [ Wed May 26, 2010 2:30 pm ]
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Highlordell wrote:
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King of the Dead?


That would be a last resort I suppose, imagine how lucky you would have to be to score that wound, although spears and pikes would help.


Yeah, you would have to be quite lucky to score a wound if you used just the King of the Dead, 1/6. However, use a spear and it drops to 1/3; use two pikes and it drops to 1/2; if you used two pikes and trapped the Balrog the odds would drop all the way to 1/1. :)
Author:  spuds4ever [ Wed May 26, 2010 6:31 pm ]
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Yes, but to have pikes you would have to have either Gg or MaAoDA. Also the balrog would easily be able to kill the king of the dead before the balrog had lost a fight. I think Rumil would be more reliable.
Author:  ncea [ Thu May 27, 2010 4:53 am ]
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Ive said it once, I will say it agian..

Dragon.
Author:  Queen Berúthiel [ Thu May 27, 2010 5:32 am ]
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ncea wrote:
Ive said it once, I will say it agian..

Dragon.

with breathe fire
Author:  spuds4ever [ Thu May 27, 2010 5:14 pm ]
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Queen Berúthiel wrote:
ncea wrote:
Ive said it once, I will say it agian..

Dragon.

with breathe fire


This is simply fighting fire with fire (literally). If fighting the balrog with a dragon, a lot of the advantage will be purely in dice rolls. This gives you an OK advantage to beat the balrog but the balrog will still be wounding the dragon on 3+ (unless it has tough hide) and there's a fair chance it will run away after every wound.
Author:  ShadowMaster26 [ Thu May 27, 2010 5:39 pm ]
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The Dragon doesn't need to even fight the Balrog in CC to one hit KO him if he has breathe fire.
Author:  Highlordell [ Thu May 27, 2010 5:52 pm ]
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Yes, in my opinion a dragon with breathe fire is the best option. Still doesnt make sense how the Balrog could die from fire, when he is on fire himself anyway. :?
Author:  The_Dragon_of_Moria [ Thu May 27, 2010 6:46 pm ]
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hithero wrote:
Taking a dragon won't help a Good player. The best thing to do is only take it on if you have to due to the scenario, otherwise just keep it busy.


QFT

A Dragon is of no use to someone who uses a Gondor force.
Author:  ncea [ Fri May 28, 2010 12:49 am ]
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QFT

A Dragon is of no use to someone who uses a Gondor force.


Well if your gondor do what elros of numenour said.

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A gondor battlecry trebuchet. two shots from that baby will have that big ol' flaming sucker out of there instantly.

Strength 10 against defence 10. first direct hit causes wounds to be halved, second one wipes the floor with him.
Author:  Elros of Numenor [ Sat May 29, 2010 2:05 am ]
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ncea wrote:

Well if your gondor do what elros of numenour said.



Thankyou! my point exactly.
And I don't understand why you would use a dragon to beat a balrog. That's like using King elessar to beat boromir captain of the white tower. :?
Author:  ncea [ Sat May 29, 2010 4:48 am ]
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Thankyou! my point exactly.
And I don't understand why you would use a dragon to beat a balrog. That's like using King elessar to beat boromir captain of the white tower.


Well its an easy 1 hit kill :lol: even if it is a bit strange how there both in the same army list it doesnt say that your not aloud to :P
Author:  Azrael [ Sat May 29, 2010 1:47 pm ]
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And what help will the Ghostbusters be in taking down something that isn't a ghost?


Well Balrog is a spirit/ghost :wink:


Demon
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In religion and mythology, occultism and folklore, a demon (or daemon, daimon; from Greek δαίμων daimôn) is a supernatural being that is generally described as a malevolent spirit; however, the original neutral connotations of the Greek word daimon does not carry the negative ones that were later projected onto it, as Christianity spread.

So go Ghostbusters! 8)
Author:  senoja [ Mon Jun 21, 2010 1:19 pm ]
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in small games a balrog can b easily dealt with unless the player is quite cunning in himself i use a balrog myself generaly feeding it one model at a time whilst u deal with the other 100pts of models in a 500pt game of corse then deal with the balrog in its own right weight of number and decent rolls will bring it down in larger forces artilery is the best bet as using monsters against can be problematic as they can be sepreated and slowed in the same way feeding thenm a single model and any smart player will accompany the balrog with 2 or 3 bat swarms wich will mean you wwill need ranged weapons as charging the bats alows the barog to select his targets and if a hero gets caguth by the balrog whilst fighting bats then say buh bye to ure hero dragons also are dealt with in many of the same ways so takin a dragon against the balrog even with a breath fire is worthless against a decent player just thought id give an example as to why elroses artillery option is the best choice
Author:  Azrael [ Mon Jun 21, 2010 1:35 pm ]
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A balrog really doesn`t have a weakness
Actually it has - its missing fate makes it vulnerable for siege engines that autokill when wounded.
Author:  agincourt777 [ Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:21 pm ]
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my brother uses a balrog EVERY game, along with some gobbos. i find the best thing to do is kill all the warriors first (he won't have too many with a balrog in his army) and feed the big B one stupid man of numenor each turn. then... MOB IT with absolutely everything you have left, and use 2 handed weapons if you can. if it loses just a couple of combats, it will start to die quickly. DON'T shoot at it, its a waste of little plastic arrows. concentrate archers on warriors so that you can beat them easily when it comes to combat, thus preserving troops for the inevitable balrog vs everything fight.

oh, and as has been said, Rumil would be good.
Author:  imrail [ Tue Jun 22, 2010 7:49 am ]
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Azrael wrote:
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A balrog really doesn`t have a weakness
Actually it has - its missing fate makes it vulnerable for siege engines that autokill when wounded.


No he loses the half of his wounds.
It's in the rules.
Author:  senoja [ Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:01 am ]
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ill say again feeding the balrog a single model only works with an unexperienced player who lets there big beastie wander the battlefield alone because hes o so powerful a balrog with decent support units is neigh unstoppable unless using artillery (which come it hows gondor woudla tried to deal with it if it had been a pelenor)

im not sure of rumil rules tbh but but in the case of characters being sent against it how would rumil fare in combat at half fight value
Author:  senoja [ Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:03 am ]
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o nd quick clarification if the balrog losess half wound to artillery that autokills does he also only take half wounds to a dragons breath weapon
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