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Author:  GothmogtheWerewolf [ Mon Mar 19, 2012 12:28 am ]
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I agree with Highlordell, Dragon Knights are sane, Beserkers are insane.
Author:  Draugluin [ Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:28 pm ]
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I would make him an Indie hero with no standfast, 0/0/2 and maybe resistance to magic.
Author:  GothmogtheWerewolf [ Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:42 pm ]
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Dragluin's suggestion makes the Beserker Chieftain (captain sounds too formal) more acceptable themewise.
Author:  mastermanje [ Tue Mar 20, 2012 6:39 am ]
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accepted, making the notes at home, so the updated profiles will come together with some new ones later
Author:  mastermanje [ Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:41 am ]
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It's been a while since I posted some, but here are the new ones:

Ar-Pharazon

F S D A W C M/W/F
6/4 4 7 3 3 5 3/1/1
Equipment: Numenorean Heavy Armor (heavy armor with better defence bonus) and a 2 handed sword
Abilities:
Broken Mind
Master of Battle
King of Numenor: Ar-Pharazon has a Stand Fast! range of 12"

Cost: 90

Guard of Numenor

F S D A W C
5/4 3 5 1 1 4
Equipment: heavy armor

Aditional equipment:
2 points Heavy Longbow(elf bow)
2 points Testudo Shield(shield with a +2 defence bonus instead of +1)
1 point Spear
Ability: Bodyguard

Cost: 10

Uruk Slaughterer

F S D A W C M/W/F Independed hero
5/4 5 7 3 2 8 0/1/2
Wargear: An uruk berserker wears a 2handed sword

Rules:
Unknown Power: A berserker never get's a -1 penalty for wearing a 2handed weapon.

Resistant to Magic
Author:  GothmogtheWerewolf [ Sat Jul 28, 2012 6:24 pm ]
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Ar-Pharazon neds to cost a more, even with Broken Mind, as Master of /battle is a very expensive special rule, about 40-45pts I think.

The Guards looka bit underpowered, but could be balanced - and what is a testudo shield?

The Uruk Slaughterer (much better than beserker Captain) looks good, but a) how much does he cost? b) Coourage 8 means autopass courage tests, which shouldn't be a good idea.
Author:  Oldman Willow [ Mon Aug 27, 2012 9:05 pm ]
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Quote:
2 points Testudo Shield(shield with a +2 defence bonus instead of +1)

alternately a +1 armor save and an in the way test for shooting attacks. I am not sure the large shield would give a + 2 in normal hand to hand. However, only Roman infantry with short swords would ever be able to strike blows in Testudo formation. It is generally thought of as totally defensive. All shieding all of the time. The Formation was used in the Two Towers when the ram was brought up to force the gate at Helms Deep. The shields also looked larger. There is a precedent from the movie for a Testudo shield.
My two cents. This is an interesting thread guys :!:
Author:  Draugluin [ Tue Aug 28, 2012 2:01 pm ]
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No armor saves in SBG.
Author:  Oldman Willow [ Tue Aug 28, 2012 10:28 pm ]
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Quote:
y Draugluin » Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:01 am
No armor saves in SBG.

Well excuse me :!:
+2 defence bonus instead of +1
I was thinking WH Ancients and miss spoke. a +1 defense bonus instead of a defense +2 for hand to hand.
Author:  WhoelsebutHaldir [ Wed Aug 29, 2012 12:19 am ]
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You could make it similar to a corsair pavis or whatever its called. +3 defense to shooting but +2 in combat, that would balance out the profile if it included a shield.
The basic profile as is should be a point lower. Comparing them to high elves they have worse stats for a higher price, but then again I don't know how many points body guard is worth.
Author:  Oldman Willow [ Wed Aug 29, 2012 12:42 am ]
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Quote:
WhoelsebutHaldir » Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:19 pm
You could make it similar to a corsair pavis or whatever its called. +3 defense to shooting but +2 in combat, that would balance out the profile if it included a shield.
The basic profile as is should be a point lower. Comparing them to high elves they have worse stats for a higher price, but then again I don't know how many points body guard is worth

If that precedent has been set then I agree. I think normal pavies should count as an in the way test because they are basically a movable small wall. It is always better to go with an existing rule rather than add exceptions. There is no rule for striking the unshielded side of a model so adding defense would be consistent.
Author:  WhoelsebutHaldir [ Wed Aug 29, 2012 1:17 am ]
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Maybe a special rule making them gain a +3 to d if 2or more are side by side bases touching, otherwise just the normal +1.
I like your idea with the pavies but logically it would be kind of weird if the model was directly behind a wall, but you still had to take two tests.
Author:  Lord Hurin [ Wed Aug 29, 2012 1:18 am ]
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Broken Mind on Ar-Pharazon doesn't quite make sense, canonically. He was power-hungry and thought he was entitled to immortality. I'd give him a Fight value and Courage equal to Elendil, and his "Numenorean" heavy armour is redundant as Numenorean nobility has base Defence of 5.
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