Dale can be taken under erebor so should struggle considering they have access to thorin and dwalin
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| Author: | Zarathustra Suicuine [ Tue Nov 26, 2013 12:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Underdog tactical challenge? |
I thought they had only gained Erestor, elrond in a bathrobe and the stormcallers since the early days? And even then there is the fact you have unarmoured heroes at 60pts, and then all the others are either 80, 140 or 170ishpts with nothing in between. |
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| Author: | cereal_theif [ Tue Nov 26, 2013 10:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Underdog tactical challenge? |
Numenor is great... just no easy access to model |
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| Author: | Gondorian Captain [ Wed Nov 27, 2013 10:48 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Underdog tactical challenge? |
Lol, good to see this debate is still ongoing. Having got my eye back into the hobby a bit more since starting this thread I would say High elves shouldn't have too many problems at tourney. Yes they have very elite troops but they also have some of the best archery, a resonable mix of heroes to be fair, the house of elrond alone packs a nice punch. Are they as competitive as wood elves....I think they can be, others will disagree. Let the dice decide then eh? Also, I quite like the point made about Numinor in that in smaller games they should be pretty decent. Would like to hear if anyone has managed to take a numinor army at the higher end of pts levels and how it performed. |
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| Author: | Bilbo [ Wed Nov 27, 2013 4:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Underdog tactical challenge? |
I would say High elves shouldn't have too many problems at tourney. Yes they have very elite troops but they also have some of the best archery, a resonable mix of heroes to be fair, the house of elrond alone packs a nice punch. Are they as competitive as wood elves....I think they can be, others will disagree. Let the dice decide then eh? Personally I would say that they are the poor relations! Especially as the Noldor can field suped up wood elve "Noldorin Exiles" with a speed of 8". |
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| Author: | Gondorian Captain [ Thu Nov 28, 2013 8:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Underdog tactical challenge? |
Well while wood elves have a number of advantages such as Mirkwood guard and sentinels, high elves tend to have more powerful combat heroes. I think High Elves can be just as good a force as wood elves though different play styles may well be more suited to one than the other. While I agree that Noldorian Exiles are pretty cool, they're kinda split across both factions. You get the warriors from the wood elf faction but Gildor Inglorian who upgrades them up is from the Rivendel list. Will also be interesting seeing what the new film does for Mirkwood armies. |
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| Author: | belgiumfire [ Thu Nov 28, 2013 9:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Underdog tactical challenge? |
What about the garrison of dale? as they only have access to a unnamed hero and some warriors (even just adding a banner option would be great). Maybe not worthy of being in the list, it seems they aren't very competitive. (but, I still love the models so much it's worth starting them) |
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| Author: | Gondorian Captain [ Thu Nov 28, 2013 9:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Underdog tactical challenge? |
Lol, back when I made this thread I don't think they had been released yet. Dont actually own the latest rulebook though so my bad if they did. |
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| Author: | belgiumfire [ Thu Nov 28, 2013 9:14 pm ] |
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Their rules are only inside the box of the warriors, they are around for some time now but I still hope they get some love in the new sourcebook. |
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| Author: | cereal_theif [ Thu Nov 28, 2013 9:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Underdog tactical challenge? |
High elves struggle at lower points. At 1000pts they can boss |
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| Author: | SouthernDunedain [ Thu Nov 28, 2013 10:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Underdog tactical challenge? |
Dale can be taken under erebor so should struggle considering they have access to thorin and dwalin
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| Author: | Draugluin [ Sun Dec 01, 2013 1:56 am ] |
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Elves only struggle on a completely open board. Add a single woodland terrain piece and they will suddenly dominate anything, every time. |
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| Author: | Bilbo [ Sun Dec 01, 2013 4:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Underdog tactical challenge? |
Drauglins is bang on about Elves being un-hindered by woodlands, suddenly the enemy will have to move at half pace when the elves are unobstructed, and enemy cavalry loose their charge bonuses (and effectiveness), however the last thing you wan't to face is an army on elves with bows and an unobstructed voew of you! |
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| Author: | LordElrond [ Sun Dec 01, 2013 4:59 am ] |
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Bilbo wrote: the last thing you wan't to face is an army on elves with bows and an unobstructed voew of you! I still think crossbowmen shooting at you would be worse. 
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| Author: | Draugluin [ Sun Dec 01, 2013 5:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Underdog tactical challenge? |
Depends on your armor. 12 high elves with bows costs as much as 12 uruk crossbowmen. Str 3 and 4 wound D5 on a 5+. 12 elves shoot, 8 hit, ~3 wound. 12 uruks shoot, 6 hit, 2 wound. The elves would win out. Of course, against arbalesters, the elves would only kill ~1, while 2 elves would die. |
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| Author: | Zarathustra Suicuine [ Sun Dec 01, 2013 8:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Underdog tactical challenge? |
High elves shooting against Uruks tend to do okay I've found, it's when your Numenorian bowman start getting into firefights with Uruk crossbows you need to worry. |
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| Author: | Bilbo [ Sun Dec 01, 2013 8:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Underdog tactical challenge? |
Mirkwood (about to become old school!) and Galadrim bowmen will be killed by cross bow fire on a 4+, as they hit on a 4+ that's a 1 in 4 chance of killing with every unobstructed shot they take. I have only been in this situation once, but Galadriel cast "Blinding Light" and requiring them to hit on a 6 (making chances of killing now 1 in 12!) and kept compelling them in the way, or moving them in the opposite direction, whcih effectively did me up like a kipper. I think that was at my second doubles tournament. |
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| Author: | SuicidalMarsbar [ Mon Dec 02, 2013 11:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Underdog tactical challenge? |
Thing about Uruk croswsbows is that they will always be lead by Vrasku, whereas high elves have no shooty hero to contend with this two shots and 3 might. |
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| Author: | Zarathustra Suicuine [ Mon Dec 02, 2013 6:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Underdog tactical challenge? |
That is the main problem with the high elf heros apart from the the high price is the fact that you don't have any shooting ones, just various levels of killy with magic that is not that impressive apart from Gildor, but his price is too much for a D4 charecter. |
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| Author: | Bilbo [ Mon Dec 02, 2013 6:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Underdog tactical challenge? |
Zarathustra Suicuine wrote: That is the main problem with the high elf heros apart from the the high price The high points cost is not a problem as we have some of the most powerful characters in the game her. is the fact that you don't have any shooting ones, just various levels of killy with magic that is not that impressive apart from Gildor, but his price is too much for a D4 charecter. I personally would not describe high elf magic as unimpressive, wit a little thought and finesse and killer combo's such as Elrond and Lindir can produce devastating effects with "Natures Wrath" and can keep the likes of Gil Galad fighting by restoring lost wounds with "renew". High Elf heroes and Elladan and Elrohir can all be given bows, there may be no Legolas or Haldir but frankly Elf Warriors with bows are the best archers in Middle Earth and High Elf Archers have access to heavy armor. Also Cirdan is amazing when used correctly, just don't expect him to kill anything. Also this thread is about identifying "underdog" army lists. The mighty Noldor with frankly some of the best heroes in the game, some of the most powerful magic and superb troops simply does not apply. The Shire with no fight or strength values above 3, no magic and frankly nothing seriously destructive has got to be the main contender. |
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| Author: | black1blade [ Mon Dec 02, 2013 7:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Underdog tactical challenge? |
But the shire can get something like 78 thrown stones attack per go. |
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