This topic had probably already been asked so feel free to post a link to that conversation id it does but I was just wondering how people thought about the stats for the new units, I'm returning from a hiatus away from the hobby so have none of the new book but have downloaded and studied the free Heroes and Villains profile thing GW has on their website and I'm interested in how some of the profiles play in game
Azog- seems ok but D5 and F1 for his points seems a little low, is it as much of a problem in game as it looks on paper
Thorin - looks great for 115 with the orcrist and the oakenshield
Dwalin - little cheaper and a little worse but looks good for his price, I can see him and Thorin being mainstays of Dwarf armies and allies in the future they both reasonably priced, have good stats and nice special rules (Gloin could also be placed here I suppose)
Bofar and Nori - Seem like quite a nice halfway between a captain and the stack of 'Mega' heroes that the dwarves have, I can see these two being used a lot as there only a little more expensive than a captain of Erebor and have some nice rules without being the powerhouses of Thorin, Thrain and Thror (the line of Durin apparently really like to start names with 'Th')
The other dwarves - either seem like nothing special but for a nothing special price (Fili and Kili) kinda pointless (Dori) or only helpful in certain circumstances so only in certain army lists but with some definitely interesting opportunities Oin's healing and Ori's MWF regeneration come to mind.
Radagast - same stats but new additions Sebastian silly addition but for 5 points might kill an Orc a game so could be worth it (and it's kind of a sweet little addition and I actually quite like that they put it in). The sled on the other hand has lots of attacks but low defence, strength and a high price seem pointless
Lindir - like Sebastian glad he's included but not sold on his usefulness +1A would have been nice for his price (as your going to want to give him heavy armour), would make a good combo for Elrond in larger games as I feel was GW plan. Would be nice to know how good his resistant to magic rule is if not played with Elrond, perhaps against a wraith/Shaman heavy army he would be worth his points.
Thrain and Thror - unsurprisingly very similar, decent base stats for their price on paper Thrain is probably better, fearless is a bit rubbish and the Arkenstone makes up for Thror lack of fate but Thrain's standfast is really nice even if blood feud has limited use. TBH I can't see why you would take Thorin or Dwalin and some more dwarves personally
Fimbul and Narzag - seem good for their price nothing amazing but then your not paying an amazing price either (like a lot of the dwarf company)
Bolg - his price is quite high but decent stats and a nice cumulative rule seems good it obviously requires Bolg to kill a bunch of people until he is at full power though. Against Rohan or red vs red I can see him being a truly devastating force but against elite armies like elves and dwarves he may have trouble killing ten khazad guard and the high fight and defence hero that will be pointed straight in his direction.
Trolls - story and scenario wise great, love the models but I can't see them being used in army lists so I'll move on
Goblin King - ok stats for his price I suppose others have much better, special rules are quite nice though make him resistant to most things but only F1 is irritating (this seems to be a running theme with these new hobbit guys). Throw Goblin is nice but it obviously costs you a goblin and +5 to hit isn't great. I imagine him as a a troop slayer his strength, attacks and wound dodging ability make me think he'd be great mowing down low defence troops with impunity but I can't see him standing up to Aragorn or particularly Thorin for to long before it takes it's toll.
Grinnah - just seems like a slightly improved named goblin captain - nothing special but definitely will be used a lot because of his low price and 3 might
Scibe - seems useful but really depends on how you roll also one good shot and it's gone
So guys and girls what new models do you think are worth it and which will fall by the wayside??
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