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| Author: | Lays [ Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | When to use 2th kings champion? |
I was making several lists for my dwarf army, and i was wondering if anyone could give me some advise on at what points i can use 2 kings champions? Like on 1000 or less already or.. |
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| Author: | ElfGeneral [ Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: When to use 2th kings champion? |
I don't play dwarves but have always viewed a Kings champion like a Mordor Troll chieften (powerful monster with might). I personally wouldn't take 2 until around the 1500 -2000 points range but there is no reason you couldn't take 2 at a 1000 points along as you use them to the best of their ability and make sure you pick your charges to maximise your damage (you might want to take the Blessing of Galadriel fortune (+D3 might) and give it to one of them so they can make the most of there epic actions). I would never take 2 at a points level any lower than that though. |
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| Author: | Telchar [ Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: When to use 2th kings champion? |
I wouldn't take even just 1 up till 1500, with two you should wait till 2000pts IMO, or you'll loose so many basic warriors that you are swarmed by virtually anything (except Elves) |
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| Author: | Lays [ Thu Jun 07, 2012 6:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: When to use 2th kings champion? |
Tnx for the good advise very usefull. Also my mates play with high/wood elves and 1 with rohan and galadhrim so wont be outnumberd haha Tnx! |
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| Author: | GothmogtheWerewolf [ Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: When to use 2th kings champion? |
I played against a Dwarf Player who had 2 Kings Champions and The 3 Hunters at 2,000pts, so I don't think 1,500pts is too few pts to use 2 Champions, so long as you don't use a 3rd monster. |
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| Author: | Telchar [ Sat Jun 09, 2012 2:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: When to use 2th kings champion? |
@ Lays: poor them. Although if everyone plays the overcosted armies, of course they are no longer overcosted. @ Gothmog: Of course it can be done if you want to, but I'd say saving the points for some damage-soakers instead of damage-dealers would be a far better idea. |
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| Author: | GothmogtheWerewolf [ Sat Jun 09, 2012 8:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: When to use 2th kings champion? |
Generally, the core of the army is damage-soakers, and if you plan it well, you can still have several powerful damage dealers, you just need to know what you're doing and how to do it. And avoid overpowered armies. |
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| Author: | Telchar [ Sun Jun 10, 2012 9:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: When to use 2th kings champion? |
GothmogtheWerewolf wrote: Generally, the core of the army is damage-soakers, and if you plan it well, you can still have several powerful damage dealers, you just need to know what you're doing and how to do it. And avoid overpowered armies. Yup, and I'm afraid that with two King's Champions (and some other nice stuff), you won't have enough core left. |
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| Author: | Lays [ Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: When to use 2th kings champion? |
hmm i think i gonna use 2 at 1500+ when playing against elves.. continuing with my list.. |
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| Author: | Telchar [ Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: When to use 2th kings champion? |
Could you show it to us when you're finished? I'd like to see what the rest of the army consists of. |
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| Author: | Lays [ Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: When to use 2th kings champion? |
Bit busy with study atm.. I will when i am done! Bit these are all dwarfs i have: 88 warriors, 11 companies 44 bowmen 5 companies 48 rangers 6 companies 48 khazad guard, 6 companies 10 iron guard, 1 companie 18 vault warden 2 companies 2 (3) ballista 2 kings champion 1875 8 captains (4 of them are kings) 50x8=400 5 banners 35x5=175 2 shieldbearers 25x2=50 1 hornblower 15x1=15 635+1875 And all heroes ofc, durin mardin murin drar, floi balin dain gimli I just love dwarfs hehe 2510 and all heroes ofc.. |
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| Author: | Telchar [ Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: When to use 2th kings champion? |
I feel I'm flying into a fit of jealousy at the moment. |
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| Author: | GothmogtheWerewolf [ Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: When to use 2th kings champion? |
I wouldn't advice you bother with the Captains and Banner, but you certainly have a lot of Dwarves, especially Khazad Guard, though I recommend you get another 2 companies of them so you can have 2 formations of 4 companies, a true Bane. |
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| Author: | Telchar [ Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: When to use 2th kings champion? |
GothmogtheWerewolf wrote: I wouldn't advice you bother with the Captains and Banner, but you certainly have a lot of Dwarves, especially Khazad Guard, though I recommend you get another 2 companies of them so you can have 2 formations of 4 companies, a true Bane. That with 2 KC's? |
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| Author: | GothmogtheWerewolf [ Sat Jun 16, 2012 11:15 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: When to use 2th kings champion? |
Telchar wrote: GothmogtheWerewolf wrote: I wouldn't advice you bother with the Captains and Banner, but you certainly have a lot of Dwarves, especially Khazad Guard, though I recommend you get another 2 companies of them so you can have 2 formations of 4 companies, a true Bane. That with 2 KC's? At 2,000pt, you could do it. |
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| Author: | Telchar [ Sat Jun 16, 2012 1:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: When to use 2th kings champion? |
Yes, but it was about 1000-1500 pts, wasn't it. And even then, I wouldn't do it (but I tend to use very expensive heroes) |
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| Author: | GothmogtheWerewolf [ Sat Jun 16, 2012 4:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: When to use 2th kings champion? |
Using models in your list and 2 Champions, you can make this 1,500pt army. Epic Heroes; Dain Ironfoot Balin A 50pt or less allied Hero Common Formations: Dwarf Warriors (6c) 2-handed weapons Dwarf Warriors (3c) shields Dwarf Warriors (3c) shields Dwarf Rangers (3c) bows Rare Formations: 2 Kings Champions Khazad Guard (4 companies) Or swap the 50pt Hero for 2 coys of KoMT and then swap the Rangers for 2 Ballistas. |
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| Author: | Lays [ Sat Jun 16, 2012 6:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: When to use 2th kings champion? |
Why the 2h warriors? Aint it better when i use shield? Def 6 might die to fast.. And maybe gimli over balin or how did u come up with him? Tnx anyway for all the help! |
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| Author: | GothmogtheWerewolf [ Sat Jun 16, 2012 11:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: When to use 2th kings champion? |
Defence 6 too low! I think not. Have you seen Gundabad blackshields, Barbarians of Carn Dum, Numenorean Warriors, Galadhrim Regiments, Dunleding Warriors? Defence 6 is still heavily armoured, you just need to keep them in 5+ company formations. Defence 5 or less is low. Defence 6 do not die fast, unless your fighting the Mordor Royal Airforce. Defence 6-7 is common, your defence 8 is incredibly rare. Plus 2-handed weapoms are very good, Orcs with 2-handers (defence 3!) are very useful. And when it comes to heroes, you also need to think about their pts value, you could swap Dain for Gimli if you prefer but Dain is a Counsellor. Balin is there for cheapness, like Durburz, Faramir, Isildur, Thrydan etc. |
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| Author: | Telchar [ Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: When to use 2th kings champion? |
A very good list. For the 50pts hero I'd take Deorwinë, renamed as your favourite member of the 13 dwarves from the Hobbit. |
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