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| Author: | drummer [ Mon Aug 13, 2012 9:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Rule query for the Mumak elephant |
Hi fellas, in WAR of the RING mass battle game, when the Mumak stampedes it states that it must move/turn in a random directiopn. How do you decide the direction and who decides. Is it the opponent or the owner of the Mumak. Many thanks in anticipation. Also if both players call an Epic Strike do they just cancel each other out? |
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| Author: | Rangefinder [ Mon Aug 13, 2012 9:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rule query for the Mumak elephant |
From the Official Update Version 1.1 Factions: Fallen Kingdoms Q. If my Mûmak stampedes, how do I determine random direction for a stampede? (p198) A. It’s entirely up to you and your opponent. You can use an ordinary D6 and assign a compass point to each result and do it that way, use a spinner or any other method that you can both agree upon. You can PM me and I will send you the PDF file for it. And I think that both Epic Heros would get Epic Strike, maybe. |
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| Author: | tlotrsbg [ Tue Aug 14, 2012 10:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rule query for the Mumak elephant |
a scatter dice from warhammer would prob be easiest or a d10 and go in the direction of the longest point of the triangle facing |
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| Author: | GothmogtheWerewolf [ Tue Aug 14, 2012 4:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rule query for the Mumak elephant |
Rangefinder got there. If two heroes call Epic Strike, regardless of whether they are on the same side, or enemies, near each other or far away, they both get fight 10. Unless one of them is in a formation with two-handed weapons in which case he is Fight 9, exept in duelds in which he is still fight 10. Also, other heroes cannot benefit from that hero's ES they must call their own, and the general consemnsus is that Epic Heroes cannot join Mumakil. |
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| Author: | Stormcrow [ Tue Aug 14, 2012 6:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rule query for the Mumak elephant |
GothmogtheWerewolf wrote: Also, other heroes cannot benefit from that hero's ES they must call their own, and the general consemnsus is that Epic Heroes cannot join Mumakil. Iv heard of this before but I cant seem to find a rule to back this thought up, am i missing something? |
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| Author: | GothmogtheWerewolf [ Tue Aug 14, 2012 7:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rule query for the Mumak elephant |
Which part are you referring to? If its the former, then its because it clearly state that the Epic Hero raises his own fight to 10, not the fight of his company. If you mean the latter, then its speculation based on the fact that the Mumak is a monster, and EHs can't join monsters. |
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| Author: | Stormcrow [ Tue Aug 14, 2012 7:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rule query for the Mumak elephant |
Yeah I know epic strike raises the hero's fight value but im confused as to why another hero in the same company dosn't benefit from it. Page 64 of the rule book states if a company led by a hero is in a fight then the company uses the hero's fight value instead of their own. It also says if more than one hero is present that the highest fight value available is used. So if a hero calls epic strike, surley another hero in the same company would then use the other hero's fight value. |
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| Author: | GothmogtheWerewolf [ Tue Aug 14, 2012 7:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rule query for the Mumak elephant |
No, they do not. The company does use the Epic Strike in melee, but another hero cannot use ES in their own duel. |
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| Author: | Stormcrow [ Wed Aug 15, 2012 7:05 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rule query for the Mumak elephant |
GothmogtheWerewolf wrote: No, they do not. The company does use the Epic Strike in melee, but another hero cannot use ES in their own duel. Do you have a reference to the rules to back that up? |
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| Author: | Slythar [ Thu Aug 16, 2012 5:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stormcrow |
Epic Strike pg 69 Fight pg 64 - Determines 'Battle Skill Modifier'. No mention that it determines Fight Value for Heroic Duels. Battle Skill Modifier pg. 49 - Its a 'Combat Modifier'. Fight Procedure pg. 46 - Combat modifier's are applied in step 3) b. |
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| Author: | Stormcrow [ Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stormcrow |
Slythar wrote: Epic Strike pg 69 Fight pg 64 - Determines 'Battle Skill Modifier'. No mention that it determines Fight Value for Heroic Duels. Battle Skill Modifier pg. 49 - Its a 'Combat Modifier'. Fight Procedure pg. 46 - Combat modifier's are applied in step 3) b. Page four of the official update states the following: Q) Does an epic strike affect the hero's fight for both a heroic duel and the ensuing fight? A) Yes- there's gunna be a whuppin. So my thought is as follows: Two hero's are within the same company. Hero A calls a heroic duel at the start of the fight phase. Hero B calls epic strike before the fight takes place. As hero A is in the same company as hero B he uses the highest fight value available, as stated in the rules, that fight value being that of hero B who has called epic strike raising his fight to 10. |
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| Author: | GothmogtheWerewolf [ Thu Aug 16, 2012 9:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rule query for the Mumak elephant |
Wrong dear fellow. Epic Strike raises the fight value of the Hero A who called it to 10. During melee, the company may use the highest fight value, which would be Hero A. Hero B is in the company, but he is not the company, and the rules state that the company may use the highest fight, not models in the company, so he cannot use Hero A's fight value, he must use his own. |
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| Author: | D0Cdeath [ Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rule query for the Mumak elephant |
I don't understand why hero b is not part of the company or even hero a , what determines in a company and the company ? |
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| Author: | Stormcrow [ Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rule query for the Mumak elephant |
Gothmog, I appreciate your thoughts on this but once again you have stated your opinion without any reference to the rules. I dont understand what you are saying, if a character is placed in a company how can he not be part of a company? Please could you explain how the rules lead you to your conclusion? |
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| Author: | Stormcrow [ Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rule query for the Mumak elephant |
GothmogtheWerewolf wrote: Wrong dear fellow. Epic Strike raises the fight value of the Hero A who called it to 10. During melee, the company may use the highest fight value, which would be Hero A. Hero B is in the company, but he is not the company, and the rules state that the company may use the highest fight, not models in the company, so he cannot use Hero A's fight value, he must use his own. Sorry iv just read this again and I can't make any sense of it! If a model is in a company how can he not be in a company, and what is "THE" company if not the 8 models that are placed in the company? |
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| Author: | GothmogtheWerewolf [ Fri Aug 17, 2012 9:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rule query for the Mumak elephant |
Firstly, I did not say that a model is in company but isn't in a company. I said the model is in the company, but the model is not the company. A model cannot bpth be the company and be inside it. In heroic duels, a Hero uses their own fight value, not the highest fight value in their company: Quote: Both Heroes roll a D6 and add their relative Fight value. Epic Strike increases the Hero's fight value to 10: Quote: ...his Fight value is increased to 10 until the end of the phase The second hero cannot use the Epic strike because Epic Strike increases his fight value, not the Fight value of the company. You are partially confused by this: Quote: If the company contains more than one Hero, it uses the the highest Fight value present. The it refers to the company, not the hero. Another hero cannot use a fight value in a duel that is not his own. Perhaps explaining this sentence will also help: Quote: If a company is led by a Hero in a fight, the company uses his Fight value, rather than its own, to determine its battle-skill combat modifier Nowhere in that sence does it say that the company uses the fight value in duels, only for combat modifiers. Even if the company did use the fight value for everything, this would not matter because companies cannot take part in duels unless the company itself eg Treebeard is a hero. Heroes that join a company do not turn into the company. In short, only the Epic hero that called Epic Strike can use it in a duel. The Fight 10 helps the hero that called it in a duel, and it help for battle-skill modifiers, but the Fight value does not carry into another hero in the company for duels. |
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| Author: | GothmogtheWerewolf [ Fri Aug 17, 2012 9:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rule query for the Mumak elephant |
D0Cdeath wrote: I don't understand why hero b is not part of the company or even hero a , what determines in a company and the company ? A hero is in a company. Command upgrades are in the company. Everything else is the company. |
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| Author: | Stormcrow [ Sat Aug 18, 2012 3:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rule query for the Mumak elephant |
Gothmog, that makes sense!!!! It helps when you refer to the rules rather than just saying that is wrong or this is right, i get it now. Cheers. |
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