The Last 3 Nazgul

Beowulf03809 · **Posted:** Sun Dec 21, 2008 4:57 am

Elros of Numenor wrote:

I better shut up, I'm getting so frustrated over such a small thing :oops:

The One Ring was "such a small thing" and that was still Pure Evil.

I agree completely. If you're lucky your local game group won't use them just for those reasons. But in reality there will be many people playing them, especially the SL and Marshal I think.

gaarew · **Posted:** Wed Dec 24, 2008 5:40 pm

Wooo. So that's only £75 for the last 5 named ringwraiths. Good job they dropped the VAt, I'll save about 25p...

FirieloftheHavens · **Joined:** Mon Sep 08, 2008 8:53 pm **Posts:** 21

What is most strange is that Tolkien wrote about so much (GW are the first to admit it) but GW seems to keep on designing new stuff that isn't half as imaginative. Consider the Ringwraiths' names: Dwimmerlaik just means wraith or something like that and could apply to all of them; All the Numenoran Ringwraiths were treacherous, so the name Betrayer doesn't seem much good and the kinght of Umbar doesn't really make sense if the wraiths are meant to be lords and kings of men as knight is a translation of Numenorean "Roquen" and refers to a specific social rank equivalent to mediaeval knights or Roman equites.

Sorry. Rant over. But GW could be spending its time making models for Wainrider Easterlings or more elves or things that Tolkien writes about rather making up boring names for Ringwraiths.

gaarew · **Posted:** Tue Jan 06, 2009 8:35 pm

FirieloftheHavens wrote:

Dwimmerlaik just means wraith or something like that and could apply to all of them;

In much the same way that Strigoi means Vampire (from Romanian) which can apply to all the Vampire Counts, sometimes you just have to apply creative license.

lorderkenbrand · **Posted:** Wed Jan 07, 2009 3:39 pm

gaarew wrote:

FirieloftheHavens wrote:

Dwimmerlaik just means wraith or something like that and could apply to all of them;

In much the same way that Strigoi means Vampire (from Romanian) which can apply to all the Vampire Counts, sometimes you just have to apply creative license.

Lol that's the first time I've seen 'Strigoi'

Joansean · **Joined:** Mon Feb 19, 2007 12:23 pm **Posts:** 760

Perhaps this dwimmerlaik is the dwimmerlaikiest dwimmerlaik of all dwimmerlaiks, which is why -he- got the title.

tirno.alyanorno · **Posted:** Wed Jan 07, 2009 5:25 pm

or dwimmawaik of wimmawaik? the unclean knight of umbar?

theOneRider · **Posted:** Thu Jan 08, 2009 1:07 am

Little_Odo wrote:

I preferred it when they were nameles (except the Witch King and Khamul).

I agree. While I like most of the new models, I would only use them in Second Age scenarios, as I think they have too much of that feel for a Third Age game. Even when they 'come forth in war' in the Third Age, they're not going to be as overt as when the Dark Lord bore the One Ring.
And, anyway, half of the 'coolness' of the Nine is their nameless-ness. It's the whole 'horror of they're people, but they're not people' thing...
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And the new 3 names stink.

Beowulf03809 · **Posted:** Thu Jan 08, 2009 5:19 pm

theOneRider wrote:

Little_Odo wrote:

I preferred it when they were nameles (except the Witch King and Khamul).

I agree. While I like most of the new models, I would only use them in Second Age scenarios, as I think they have too much of that feel for a Third Age game. Even when they 'come forth in war' in the Third Age, they're not going to be as overt as when the Dark Lord bore the One Ring.
And, anyway, half of the 'coolness' of the Nine is their nameless-ness. It's the whole 'horror of they're people, but they're not people' thing...
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I said almost the same thing earlier in this thread. The named versions could be good for non-TA games. I want to finish collecting the Nine in their nameless form foot and mounted and get a couple on FB before I bother collecting any of the new named ones ( I do have Khamul but, again, he was already named and special in the core stories ).

Mouth-of-Sauron · **Joined:** Tue Nov 20, 2007 8:14 pm **Posts:** 544

Also They look very fantasy well the Dark Marshal is one of the cooles mini I have ever seen in the range BUT still all taht armor and cloths just don't fit it... On the other hand they bring more variaety to the game but in that case GW is making the wrong place to do that there are other factions and armies far more left unnoticed than these Nazgyl and as said above these three last names are ridicilouse thought dwim... dwimmer...err dwimmerlake...cake..sake or what so ever sounds cool :rofl:

theOneRider · **Posted:** Fri Jan 09, 2009 10:54 pm

dwimmerlaik, dimmer-lake, dimmer cake, dumbcake, dimbulb.....
Somehow, it just doesn't seem to fit with a serious Black Rider threat...
Why not call one The Black Rider, and another the Scary Horseman Dude?! Or maybe Darth Hood? :shock:

gaarew · **Posted:** Sat Jan 10, 2009 7:37 am

theOneRider wrote:

Or maybe Darth Hood? :shock:

Because he has a rusty sword, not a lightsaber...

At least it's better than War, Famine, Pestilence, Death...

or

Sleepy, Doc, Happy, Bashful, Grumpy, Dopey...

Corsair · **Posted:** Sat Jan 10, 2009 11:41 am

gaarew wrote:

theOneRider wrote:

Or maybe Darth Hood? :shock:

Because he has a rusty sword, not a lightsaber...

At least it's better than War, Famine, Pestilence, Death...

or

Sleepy, Doc, Happy, Bashful, Grumpy, Dopey...

and we get the idea with that...

Dooshie · **Posted:** Sun Jan 11, 2009 5:20 am

i have a terrible creeping feeling that GW will continue to mess with original Tolkien material until the very end

and yeah i agree.. WHY did they have to make the dark marshall so damn COOL!?
makes it much harder to complain about the new nazgul... :no:

i would love to have a well-informed rant about Tolkien's awesomeness being corrupted.. but hot damn GW did such a great job with the LOTR game that i can't throw in the towel and say NO WAY MAN! NO MORE LOTR MINIS FOR ME!

..they've got me good, they have

oh and for the record.. i think they new names are horrid.. they should go with darth hood :-D

Mouth-of-Sauron · **Joined:** Tue Nov 20, 2007 8:14 pm **Posts:** 544

Well all this talk is nice ofc. but if they didn't do anything any more like "NO we have no ideas for LOTR we will produce them for a few years or so but no new minis and rules"

It's good that they do something it's still better than nothing :rofl:

but sometimes nothing is also better than always :lol:

Depends but I'm happy that they keep the game going...

the biggest thing that's bothering me is the Mahud like 2xstre 4 warriors?
I know it's harsh world out there but not that they could match like a Uruk Besererker...

and still I'm happpy that they keep the game going :wink:

theOneRider · **Posted:** Thu Jan 15, 2009 1:08 am

That's a very good point. And I love some of the new models, too.

But couldn't the new rules thing focus more on the multitude of stuff that Tolkein came up with rather than re-inventing (poorly) what GW has already covered?

FirieloftheHavens · **Joined:** Mon Sep 08, 2008 8:53 pm **Posts:** 21

yeah, I agree.

But perhaps GWs legal stuff (technical term!) doesn't cover doing more stuff from Tolkien (like all the events earlier in the third age). I really don't know.

joris267 · **Joined:** Sun May 25, 2008 6:07 pm **Posts:** 112

get back to the nazgul:
what do you guys think there special rules will be?

Mouth-of-Sauron · **Joined:** Tue Nov 20, 2007 8:14 pm **Posts:** 544

well it's very hard to quess...

Dwimmerlake? NO IDEA

The KNIGHT OF UMBAR? same thing

and the last one ? nothing...

even the names don't give a single clue... :rofl:

tirno.alyanorno · **Posted:** Thu Jan 15, 2009 7:24 pm

the betrayer: probably something like he can take other people's wound in exchange for his own - that kind of thing
knight of umbar: could be anything - maybe some special influence over corsairs
dwimmerlaik: could be something to do with the rohirrim, as his name is rohirric - perhaps he has a tainted affect on them as they recognise his history.
i really hope that i am far from the truth.

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