GW have stopped making metal models

Necromancer7 · **Posted:** Fri May 20, 2011 8:40 am

whafrog wrote:

I apologize to the board for making a snarky post, I should have taken OldChestnut's cue and left it alone.

Plenty of places to hash these things out, it doesn't need to be dragged into here.

@Necromancer7: I don't agree with you, but I didn't need to be so caustic.

No problem dude, live together or die alone

Harfoot · **Posted:** Fri May 20, 2011 2:38 pm

Lorizael wrote:

Harfoot wrote:

At the end of the day, METAL models are superior to resin or plastic.

That's a matter of opinion :wink:

Well may be, name me a plastic figure with better detail than metal figure.
With plastic moulding you can not produce fine detail. Fact.

ForgottenLore · **Joined:** Sun Mar 27, 2011 10:47 pm **Posts:** 491

Harfoot wrote:

Well may be, name me a plastic figure with better detail than metal figure.

OK, here is a side by side comparison of several 40K eldar figs I did not too long ago. (unless you are Hendarion from Warseer, in which case we don't need to get into this again :wink:

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http://www.warseer.com/forums/showpost. ... stcount=24

I will concede that plastic cannot do undercuts without special tooling and molds, but the crispness and fine level of detail of modern plastics is way better than metal can do.

Now, GW has chosen to not bother including that level of detail in the LotR plastics, but that has nothing to do with the ability of the medium to hold detail. I am happy that they did because that has kept the price of them down significantly lower than the plastic warhammer figs and they still look good.

Now, as to the actual topic at hand. Many, many people who seem to know what they are talking about have said that most kinds of resin can hold detail much better than either of the other mediums, so, while the resin versions of existing figs won't show any additional detail, since the masters were sculpted with the limitations of metal in mind, new finecast figures made going forward should be able to be sculpted with much better details on them.

General Elessar · **Posted:** Fri May 20, 2011 4:06 pm

Harfoot wrote:

Lorizael wrote:

Harfoot wrote:

At the end of the day, METAL models are superior to resin or plastic.

That's a matter of opinion :wink:

Well may be, name me a plastic figure with better detail than metal figure.
With plastic moulding you can not produce fine detail. Fact.

Ah, but plastic models are cheaper. Which for me is more important.

kidterminal · **Posted:** Fri May 20, 2011 5:38 pm

General Elessar wrote:

Harfoot wrote:

Well may be, name me a plastic figure with better detail than metal figure.
With plastic moulding you can not produce fine detail. Fact.

Ah, but plastic models are cheaper. Which for me is more important.

Yes cheaper is important, but I submit that GW's plastics will be anything but cheap.

Sacrilege83 · **Posted:** Sat May 21, 2011 12:33 am

Lorizael wrote:

Harfoot wrote:

At the end of the day, METAL models are superior to resin or plastic.

That's a matter of opinion :wink:

I hold his opinion in high standards :lol:

Team metal

Feanorthenoldor wrote:

at the end of the day we all are friends because we have one thing in common, this game.

So hey, ya, maybe some of use don't agree on some stupid price increase, but should that stop us from keeping this place as a haven for happiness or cheer, NO.

let's put aside the differences and be friends!

DIE TREE HUGGER DIE! :sauron:

LOL, joke

Wow this might be one of the few topic threads that generated much energetic gruesome :shout:

exciting

responses in all the history of this forum, lol. Well back to working on my backlog... :time:

Peace guys :flower:

(I would've like something with the peace hand gestre but the flower is all they have)

HeavySoul · **Posted:** Sat May 21, 2011 12:38 am

Harfoot wrote:

Well may be, name me a plastic figure with better detail than metal figure.
With plastic moulding you can not produce fine detail. Fact.

What about resin?

aelfwine · **Joined:** Sat Aug 22, 2009 12:23 am **Posts:** 508

HeavySoul wrote:

Harfoot wrote:

Well may be, name me a plastic figure with better detail than metal figure.
With plastic moulding you can not produce fine detail. Fact.

What about resin?

Depending on the precise mix, the results will be pretty much the same - might even be better with some moulds.

Of course one of the weaknesses of the LOTR line is that there's a whole bunch of figures with utterly lazy sculpts. More detail will probably only show more laziness (I'm bitter, I've just painted up the command company for the Blackroot Vale archers with Duinhir, the standard bearer and Grey Company rangers as the rest of the command set - impressively "meh" figures).

What you will notice immediately is the weight, or lack thereof. They'll weigh about half, or less, as much as they do now. The texture will be subtly different, and you'll probably have to relearn some basic painting techniques.

Still not buying any, mind.

Raukov · **Posted:** Sat May 21, 2011 8:39 am

Harfoot wrote:

Well may be, name me a plastic figure with better detail than metal figure.
With plastic moulding you can not produce fine detail. Fact.

have you ever seen a dark elf corsair

Harfoot · **Posted:** Sat May 21, 2011 4:47 pm

Well this is a LOTR Forum, not a 40k, so you can not compare 40k plastic to LOTR metal, which is (in my Opinion) still far superior to plastic.

I also paint Forge World, and resin has more detail than plastic or metal, but lacks the quality feel of metal, also resin is very brittle.

aelfwine · **Joined:** Sat Aug 22, 2009 12:23 am **Posts:** 508

Raukov wrote:

Harfoot wrote:

Well may be, name me a plastic figure with better detail than metal figure.
With plastic moulding you can not produce fine detail. Fact.

have you ever seen a dark elf corsair

I think a common thread in these discussions is the fact that you can, if you go to certain efforts, make a highly detailed plastic mould. You can also, if you go to similar efforts, make plastic models perfectly in scale with one's metal.

GW manages that, or something close enough to make no odds, with 40K.

If somehow fails to do either of these things with LOTR.

Any idea why? Most likely answer: time and money. And time is money, so really, money.

ForgottenLore · **Joined:** Sun Mar 27, 2011 10:47 pm **Posts:** 491

Harfoot wrote:

Well this is a LOTR Forum, not a 40k, so you can not compare 40k plastic to LOTR metal, which is (in my Opinion) still far superior to plastic.

Except you made a blanket statement about the ability of plastic in general to hold detail. I completely agree that the LotR metals are more detailed than the LotR plastics, but that isn't the fault of the material just GW's choices in sculpting.

Quote:

I also paint Forge World, and resin has more detail than plastic or metal, but lacks the quality feel of metal, also resin is very brittle.

Forge world resin is very brittle, but there are a lot of different kinds of resin and we don't know yet what kind of properties this new finecast material will have.

madfrog2000 · **Joined:** Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:07 am **Posts:** 179

Hey Guys I was just searching info about the metal models and found this.

Here in New Zealand the store owner told me they stopped making metal because of shipping costs. Also in New Zealand the prices have gone up not down

We are talking $45NZD ($35USD) per plastic model! (Blister) that is 3 hours of a normal persons income on one plastic model! Radagast on his sled costs $100NZD here ($77.50USD).

kidterminal · **Posted:** Mon Jul 01, 2013 4:18 am

That seems very extreme considering the plastics are made in China these days. The prices of the Hobbit figures are very high here in the US as well and they are plastic or cheap fine cast. Fine cast is triple the price of the metal figures.

madfrog2000 · **Joined:** Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:07 am **Posts:** 179

Yeah exactly I reckon if they lowered the prices more people would collect the models. I just buy all my models 2nd hand now because brand new instore prices are just scary! Someone who is new to the hobby walks into their store see's one plastic model for $45 pretty sure they would not even consider the hobby after seeing that!

Ukfreddybear · **Posted:** Mon Jul 01, 2013 8:17 am

Hi Madfrog,
You have resurrected a thread more than 2 years old and it has quickly become another criticism about GW's prices. We now have a dedicated thread to vent off about GW in general, so please limit negative views to the following thread in future:

http://www.one-ring.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=25910

Many thanks.

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