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GothmogtheWerewolf · **Posted:** Mon Oct 24, 2011 10:36 pm

And my point is he doesn't have a name. So i'm willing to end this discussion about 'Bob the Balrog' too.

Draugluin · **Posted:** Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:01 pm

All the Ainu had names, it's just that Tolkien never specified what they all were.

GothmogtheWerewolf · **Posted:** Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:02 pm

Sorry, I meant to say, Tolkien never revealed his name.

Draugluin · **Posted:** Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:06 pm

But he gave us his title, Durin's Bane, which would be interchangable with whatever name Tolkien would have given him. Like how Mithrandir and Gandalf were interchangable and were used as his name, even though neither of them were his actual name.

GothmogtheWerewolf · **Posted:** Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:08 pm

Draugluin wrote:

But he gave us his title, Durin's Bane, which would be interchangable with whatever name Tolkien would have given him. Like how Mithrandir and Gandalf were interchangable and were used as his name, even though neither of them were his actual name.

At least you didn't just say its his name. Yes taht title is uniwque to him and yes feel free to call him that, but I personally don't like to use that term, unless I ever used one in a game against dwarves.

Draugluin · **Posted:** Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:11 pm

That's what I like about WotR, you can (though you would need to be in a huge game and it would be pretty jerkish to do so) have more than one Balrog because they're a rare and not legendary formation.

GothmogtheWerewolf · **Posted:** Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:14 pm

Draugluin wrote:

That's what I like about WotR, you can (though you would need to be in a huge game and it would be pretty jerkish to do so) have more than one Balrog because they're a rare and not legendary formation.

I played a Gondolin game in SBG in which one side had a lot of goblins, orc, trolls and warg riders as well as 4 Balrogs, against elves and Istarii (yes ther's been a time warp)

Draugluin · **Posted:** Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:18 pm

Was Glorfindel there?

GothmogtheWerewolf · **Posted:** Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:20 pm

Yes he was. Glorfindel didn't kill any of them though.(Alongside Gil-galad, Elrond, Galadriel, Legolas and Arwen (even thougth some of tem were'nt even born then)

ForgottenLore · **Joined:** Sun Mar 27, 2011 10:47 pm **Posts:** 491

The Dictionary wrote:

name |nām|
noun
1 a word or set of words by which a person, animal, place, or thing is known, addressed, or referred to

Is Durin's Bane a set of words by which the Balrog in question is known or referred to?

Draugluin · **Posted:** Tue Oct 25, 2011 3:00 pm

I think yes.

IM A ENT!!! · **Posted:** Wed Oct 26, 2011 12:37 pm

no pls dont give up i was thoroughly enjoying that,,,,,,,,,,,,, MORE ARGUING!

ive got a jar of dirt, ive got a jar of dirt, ive got a jar of dirt and guess whats in side it. Durins bane

IM A ENT!!! · **Posted:** Wed Oct 26, 2011 12:45 pm

Anyway do we all agree that the dragon with the magical upgrade is actualy better than a balrog?

Draugluin · **Posted:** Wed Oct 26, 2011 5:11 pm

Unfortunately, yes. Though I think that Durin's Bane is better in SBG which is as it should be.

GothmogtheWerewolf · **Posted:** Wed Oct 26, 2011 8:43 pm

Draugluin wrote:

Unfortunately, yes. Though I think that Bob the Balrog is better in SBG which is as it should be.

I have corrected it Draugluin

Draugluin · **Posted:** Wed Oct 26, 2011 10:22 pm

"Have you heard nothing the Lord Elrond has said?" His name is Durin's Bane!

GothmogtheWerewolf · **Posted:** Wed Oct 26, 2011 10:29 pm

"The title that is Durin's Bane
Should not be mistaken for a name
It's not good at all
To name a Balrog at all
So stop calling the Balrog Durin's bane"

Limerick by GothmogtheWerewolf

Draugluin · **Posted:** Wed Oct 26, 2011 10:46 pm

"1. A word or words by which an entity is designated and distinguished from others." from the dictionary entry for name.
"a word or term by which a person or thing is commonly and distinctively known" same as above.
"10. A descriptive name" from the dictionary entry for title.
The only difference between a name and a title is that the title IS desciptive, whereas the name doesn't have to be. So your limerick proves yourself wrong.

GothmogtheWerewolf · **Posted:** Wed Oct 26, 2011 10:59 pm

Draugluin wrote:

"1. A word or words by which an entity is designated and distinguished from others." from the dictionary entry for name.

A dictionary definition has to be worded in a certain way so that it can be understood by people daft enough to look up words such as 'name'. Also I was meaning its not his actual name, and it isn't. It's almost as bad as thinking that the film-made character, Guritz is called Skully.

Draugluin wrote:

""a word or term by which a person or thing is commonly and distinctively known" same as above.

It's only commonly known as that by the (stupid) dwarves. The Orcs of Moria for example are more likely to call it 'the God of Shadow and Flame'

Draugluin wrote:

"10. A descriptive name" from the dictionary entry for title.

I was using title in a broad sense and was really referring to the word 'nickname' the dwarves gave him but the beats aren't right for the limerick.

Draugluin wrote:

"The only difference between a name and a title is that the title IS desciptive, whereas the name doesn't have to be. So your limerick proves yourself wrong.

A limerick is only meant to be a humourous verse, not a philisophical argument.

Draugluin · **Posted:** Wed Oct 26, 2011 11:02 pm

A dictionary description has to be worded a certain way so that people can look up the definition of "name" to prove daft people wrong.

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