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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 8:35 pm 
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After that happens, they'll just reduce the prices. However, it most likely won't happen until their license runs out.

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...this whole thing: the move the finecast, the drop in quality, the increase in price, the change to the pricing and quantity in the plastic model kits ---- I've had it with GW. They are so full of themselves and they don't give a sh!t about us loyal fans. They have shown no respect for the LotR cannon, neither have they shown any real dedication in putting out a superior product. They're raping us and laughing their @sses off about it all the way to the bank because we keep forking over the cash and saying dumb stuff like: "this stuff isn't so bad, you have have to warm it up for a bit to get it to fit together."

Get a grip people, they are ripping us off at every turn and it's only going to get worse until we do something about it. I, for one, and refusing to buy anymore of their tripe until they smarten up and quit producing a substandard product. And it pains me so much because I am such a student of the JRRT world, at one point I could've been convince that the backstory writers at LotR SBG cared as much about the minutia of Middle Earth backstory as I do.... I've come to see that all they care about is profit and I can, no longer in good conscience continue to feed their greed.


I hear your frustrations…
I lost interest in the ‘GW Hobby’ many many years ago, and only stuck with GW for their licence on the LOTR range and to be fair they made good models that represented the movie depictions.
But recently, with ongoing price increases, and drops in quality and the FineCost fiasco, and a poor performing WOTR, AND the fact that they stopped my access to fairly priced stock via Maelstrom Games for us poor sods in Australasia. That’s my biggest beef with them!
For those not happy paying 44 quid for a Beast of Gorgoroth, whether the Finecost sculpt quality is worth it or not, just have a thought for us down under who are getting stung $140NZ for it. At current exchange rates that makes it about 70quid. Now how do you feel?
Yeah , Ive only really bought from Ebay and Trademe over the years , but as others have said you can’t always rely on this to get what you want, especially new releases…

Despite a true love for the movies, books, ethos and mythology… GW’s recent actions have put the knife in it, for me, and I doubt I’ll be doing much directly with them again.

I do have an ‘out’, as I can still probably source via Maelstrom via friends and family in UK, and even having them ship to me here in NZ, its still cheaper than paying direct from stores here.

It’s just that my motivation for their game and figures has been seriously sapped by recent events.

Whilst the SBG is fun, for me LOTR should be big battles and I had high hopes for WOTR, but that failed to hit the mark, and seems likely now to go the way of the dodo… perhaps it was one revision away from being corrected, but that doesn’t seem likely now. With current figure prices who could afford to build a sizeable WOTR army anyway?

My current obsession is Flames of War (I’ve always been a WW2 nut too), not having played LOTR now for over a year at least…, and GW could learn a thing or two from this company – they release an updated and improved version of the rules, and anyone who has a copy of the current version of the rules gets a FREE small format version of the entire new rulebook. Now how good is that to keep current players happy???

Come GW, wake up and see what your standing in…

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 11:23 pm 
I believe most games understand how you feel and feel the same way at times when it comes to the value (money/model/quality) issue. Simply, GW is a for profit company and have the right to make the most money they can -- they have a responsibililty to their shareholders. I do not agree with their current tactics, and I know I have a choice to not support them. If you or anyone feel so strongly about the current situation, DONOT buy anymore -- simple as that. As for me, I am willing to support this addiction of mine a little longer and my choice has nothing to do with my intelligence nor lack of good judgement.

As a woman, I am uneasy about how the word "rape" was used so casually. Please donot help numb our culture in regards to violent issues by using it so lightly. I understand your anger and it is okay to be angry and voice your opinion about something that you feel important. As the saying goes, "You have to stand up for something; otherwise, you will fall for everything..."

I hope you will feel better; otherwise, eat some chocolate -- I will be willing to send you a box via snailmail, although there might be a piece or two missing.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 11:52 pm 
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Any internet-heroes bad-mouthing GW over the fact they increased prices and everything... it's a little pathetic. I too think the prices are ridiculous and stopped buying GW's products years ago. If you don't like their products, don't buy them. I respect GW as a business, because they seem to be doing ok. Even though this means quitting the hobby.

I understand you're complaining about it, I do that too from time to time, but you don't have to be all heroic declaring you'll write them a letter about how unsatisfied you are and everything, because that's a bit childish. At least try to make it sound like you thought this through. :p "I'm sick of it, blablabla rape blablabla." Seriously, if I were a company and I get a complaint like that, I'd laugh. Rational reasoning (sorry women, you're doomed) will help you a great deal when you're trying to achieve some form of respect in a discussion. ;)

I'm not attacking anyone or anything, I just thought this thread is a little ridiculous. (We can't give everyone their on complaint thread now can we? :p )

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 12:08 am 
I just felt like being diplomatic before then saying "go take a walk in the woods and talk to the trees" or "man up and take out your own enemy". Sorry, just being silly. I will go back to my knitting now.
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Sorry 'bout the r-word. Edit to "screw." It was a heat-of-the-moment lapse.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:07 am 
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So tell me, if they raised the prices for the 12 model boxes to £15 would you still be happy? £18? £20? 'cos it'll happen sooner or later, once the current prices are normalised GW will feel confident enough to raise the prices yet again. And again. As others have said, this hobby and its miniatures are a LUXURY. Well, for many, including myself its fast becoming an unaffordable Luxury. We don't want to quit - on the contrary I certainly want to get a lot more from the LOTR and 40K ranges. But at these prices, its just not worth it. Ebay is all well and good but at the end of the day, theres not enough stuff around on ebay for everyone


Errmmm if you bothered to read my post I said that prices mean nothing to me because I buy from ebay.

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LOTR has no long term future if they don't try to retain players for longer as opposed to treating people like cash cows on a conveyor belt.


Well they've been doing more than pretty well for the past 10 years. The Hobbit will generate enough interest to last another 10 years and to be honest, anything could happen in 10 years and no one can comment what will happen then. Maybe another LOTR related film will come out who knows???
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Their license is more likely to run out then that.

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DOOMED I tell thee!

Hang on to those figures folks, they'll be worth twice as much in a decades time

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Well, people say don't buy all they like, I don't drink or smoke, everything goes up in price, look at petrol and food.

So I for one being a "collector who must have the complete range" will carry on buying all LOTR figures GW release. Along with WH Skaven, Chaos & Empire!!! (Also some ForgeWorld)

Yes its expensive, so is every other hobby out there.

All the post knocking the "Big Evil GW Corporation" will not stop me buying and enjoying the simple hobby of painting and gaming. :D

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Yes, it is unfortunate that there have been numerous price hikes in the past several years- having started collecting right about when Shadow and Flame came out, my memory goes back, young master Gandalf...

But, not to get sidetracked, yes, I do agree with those who say that the current short-term solution of getting newbies interested is the way to keep money up, however, that is indeed a short-term fix. Will I stop buying, *sigh*, no, but I will have to plan my purchases better, and learn to make better use of what I have, as the 'Cold War Arms Race' method will no longer work for attempting to beat opponents. It is very unfortunate, but it is also part of life.

Though I do recognize the importance of being able to vent every now and again.

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I havn't bought anything LOTR related from GW for two years now. Do I still want to? Absolutely. Will I? Absolutely not. Why not? Because I don't think GW's prices now represent fair value for the products they sell. £20 for 24 plastic infantry (now £27 for two boxes of 12), or £15 (now £20 for Finecast equivalents) for a Hero ft & mt blister was where I drew the line.

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Yes, prices are simply mad, maddening, and getting madder, but one is relatively limited in purchasing power due to lack of LOTR-themed competition. Though Wargames Factory will no doubt be getting some more business from me in the relatively near future.

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As other people said the whole pricing issue has been discussed at length several times. I think it seems a shame to stop with the hobby altogether as a result so the only thing you can do is cut back/specialise (I for instance tend to collect things that feature in the films first and foremost, so factions like Khand get overlooked by me and I'm still using older versions of the rules which I think is fine if your opponent is happy), try to make some of your own stuff (like Trebuchets and Ballistas could be made reasonably easily I would imagine), find substitute models from other manufacturers or just repaint some of your old stuff and keep busy with that. Its very frustrating I know but thats how it is.
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Valamir wrote:
Yes, prices are simply mad, maddening, and getting madder, but one is relatively limited in purchasing power due to lack of LOTR-themed competition. Though Wargames Factory will no doubt be getting some more business from me in the relatively near future.


Speaking of which, I've got Wargames Factory and Gripping Beast plastic Saxons - 1 box of 32 WF Unarmoured Saxon Fyrd, and 1 box of 44 GB Armoured Saxon Thegns. For anyone who plays Rohan or using custom profiles (like my Rhovanion Warriors) and for whom proxies aren't an obstacle I definately reccomend them. The WF plastics I would rate 7/10. Not brilliant, but good value for money. GB I would rate as 9/10 (better than GW's Rohan plastic infantry at 8/10 IMO). Gripping Beast also has a huge range of very cheap but good quality (7/10 - 9/10 for quality IMO) metal miniatures - no Finecrap for them! Of the (limited) Historical Manufacturers I've come across, those are the most compatible scale and style wise with the LOTR SBG range.

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As other people said the whole pricing issue has been discussed at length several times. I think it seems a shame to stop with the hobby altogether as a result so the only thing you can do is cut back/specialise (I for instance tend to collect things that feature in the films first and foremost, so factions like Khand get overlooked by me and I'm still using older versions of the rules which I think is fine if your opponent is happy), try to make some of your own stuff (like Trebuchets and Ballistas could be made reasonably easily I would imagine), find substitute models from other manufacturers or just repaint some of your old stuff and keep busy with that. Its very frustrating I know but thats how it is.


Gripping Beast has some good warmachines here. They're rather pricy (probably because they are large, metal models) but they are cheaper than GW.

http://www.grippingbeast.com/shop.php?CatID=262

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I'd buy the hell out of the GB saxons, but their heads are too big and that bugs me irreconcilably. Heroic scale heads on historic scale minis. Bleagh.

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I'd buy the hell out of the GB saxons, but their heads are too big and that bugs me irreconcilably. Heroic scale heads on historic scale minis. Bleagh.


Do you mean the plastic Saxons? I have a few of the metals (huscarls, Anglo Danish warlord and King Alfred) and they're fine, though they are noticeably larger than LOTR. They're more "chunky", but not quite as much as Warhammer style Heroic miniatures. I'd say they're halfway between Heroic and Realistic.

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Yeah, I've only seen the plastics. Maybe you could post a comparison pic sometime? I'd love to see how the GB metals stack up next to LotR minis.

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Like the others, I continue to buy new GW minis, just at a much slower pace than it was formerly. I still have plenty to build/paint, so slowing down doesn't hurt me at all, although it is not good from a business perspective.

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Yeah, I've only seen the plastics. Maybe you could post a comparison pic sometime? I'd love to see how the GB metals stack up next to LotR minis.


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