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whafrog · **Posted:** Sat Mar 17, 2012 6:19 pm

Lord Hurin wrote:

I just find it unnecessary I guess. While every damn Evil beastie under the sun gets a 6+ Fate roll, there isn't a single Good model that benefits from a similar rule.

Malbeth and Arnor...

Draugluin · **Posted:** Sat Mar 17, 2012 6:22 pm

Lord Hurin wrote:

imrail wrote:

Lord Hurin wrote:

Well, honestly how many special made-up Goblin Shamans do we need in the game? I bought the Druzhag model, but I typically use him as a normal Shaman.

The special Goblin Shamans are good for themed and specialist armies.
Druzhag with wargs and bats and Ashrak for spider themed armies.

I just find it unnecessary I guess. While every damn Evil beastie under the sun gets a 6+ Fate roll, there isn't a single Good model that benefits from a similar rule.

Ever heard of Malbeth? Whose rule is twice as efficient?

Draugluin · **Posted:** Sat Mar 17, 2012 6:26 pm

I do get your point, though. I don't really like Druzhag that much, great stats but horrible spells (I don't have any beasties), but I think that Ashrak looks pretty good. Groblog is unnecessary though as we already have Durburz and we'll be getting the Great Goblin, Azog and Bolg in under a year.

Lord Hurin · **Posted:** Sat Mar 17, 2012 6:38 pm

Draugluin wrote:

Ever heard of Malbeth? Whose rule is twice as efficient?

My apologies, I was wrong. I won't dare to be again.

So, Good gets one. Who costs 75 points and is only themed with one barely-used army. I think things are still skewed towards Evil...

theavenger001 · **Posted:** Sat Mar 17, 2012 6:40 pm

Draugluin wrote:

I do get your point, though. I don't really like Druzhag that much, great stats but horrible spells (I don't have any beasties), but I think that Ashrak looks pretty good. Groblog is unnecessary though as we already have Durburz and we'll be getting the Great Goblin, Azog and Bolg in under a year.

That's what I don't like, you'll have the option to have 3 - 5 different named goblin kings all in the same army? Like really?

Ellethorn · **Joined:** Sun Mar 04, 2012 3:07 pm **Posts:** 39

Draugluin wrote:

The only way that I can figure they ever win is through heros and maybe rangers (I haven't played as a Minas Tirith army, though I do want to). Sorry, I should have said Minas Tirith, not Gondor. The Fiefdoms don't really need any help.

That is why my minas tirith army consists of guards, knights and bolt throwers :-D

GothmogtheWerewolf · **Posted:** Sat Mar 17, 2012 8:58 pm

Bolt throwers? Why on earth would you take them?

Draugluin · **Posted:** Sat Mar 17, 2012 9:09 pm

D6 strength 7 shots a turn sounds pretty good to me.

Draugluin · **Posted:** Sat Mar 17, 2012 9:12 pm

Lord Hurin wrote:

Draugluin wrote:

Ever heard of Malbeth? Whose rule is twice as efficient?

My apologies, I was wrong. I won't dare to be again.

So, Good gets one. Who costs 75 points and is only themed with one barely-used army. I think things are still skewed towards Evil...

Sorry, I didn't see whafrog's response. You can ally him into any army you want and just have him lead plastic rangers. His rule works on everyone, doesn't it?

Pindergorn · **Posted:** Sat Mar 17, 2012 9:24 pm

GothmogtheWerewolf wrote:

Bolt throwers? Why on earth would you take them?

Dead Marsh Spectre's pants turn brown everytime I fire my Avenger Bolt Thrower.

Arguments over cost-effetiveness aside, the key to using them, is to deploy them in a Key position and out of reach of the enemy. If you can put them down on top of a wall, building (especially a tower) or a hill with a clear line of sight to key areas (objectives, lines of approach to objective etc) then they will dominate.

Dead Marsh Spectre · **Posted:** Sat Mar 17, 2012 9:27 pm

GothmogtheWerewolf wrote:

Bolt throwers? Why on earth would you take them?

Bolt throwers lol why on earth wouldn't you take them ? There bloody awful and I hate them so do my uruks :-X

Pindergorn · **Posted:** Sat Mar 17, 2012 9:34 pm

Lord Hurin wrote:

Draugluin wrote:

Ever heard of Malbeth? Whose rule is twice as efficient?

My apologies, I was wrong. I won't dare to be again.

So, Good gets one. Who costs 75 points and is only themed with one barely-used army. I think things are still skewed towards Evil...

I'm working on a 'pure' force. A Captain, Warriors (converted from plastic WoMT) and Rangers of Arnor. A few Dunedain. Arvedui and Malbeth. And a unique Arnor-era Dunedain hero using the rules for Halbarad Dunedan (spear + bow, no banner) and the Duinhir model. Although, by 'working on' I mean I started a year ago and have only half finished before Uni got in the way.

GothmogtheWerewolf · **Posted:** Sat Mar 17, 2012 9:50 pm

King Ondoher wrote:

GothmogtheWerewolf wrote:

Bolt throwers? Why on earth would you take them?

Dead Marsh Spectre's pants turn brown everytime I fire my Avenger Bolt Thrower.

Arguments over cost-effetiveness aside, the key to using them, is to deploy them in a Key position and out of reach of the enemy. If you can put them down on top of a wall, building (especially a tower) or a hill with a clear line of sight to key areas (objectives, lines of approach to objective etc) then they will dominate.

I have never seen anyone roll decent with any form of artillery, when I myself use them, I'd be lucky to roll a 2 (in other words its 1, 1 and 1)

Lord Hurin · **Posted:** Sat Mar 17, 2012 10:02 pm

GothmogtheWerewolf wrote:

I have never seen anyone roll decent with any form of artillery, when I myself use them, I'd be lucky to roll a 2 (in other words its 1, 1 and 1)

Yikes, I hope I have better luck! I've got two Dwarf Ballistas but I've never used them. I mainly bought them because they were cheap and will look cool in "full army" formations.

Ellethorn · **Joined:** Sun Mar 04, 2012 3:07 pm **Posts:** 39

I love both my bolt throwers and I also have a couple dwarf ballista that work great for me. Last time I used them I pegged a dragon second turn of the game and caused it to run off the board and if that's not enough just ask my friend about them he will be able attest to there usefulness

Pindergorn · **Posted:** Sun Mar 18, 2012 12:47 am

GothmogtheWerewolf wrote:

I have never seen anyone roll decent with any form of artillery, when I myself use them, I'd be lucky to roll a 2 (in other words its 1, 1 and 1)

Your dice are broken. :lol:

theavenger001 wrote:

Draugluin wrote:

I do get your point, though. I don't really like Druzhag that much, great stats but horrible spells (I don't have any beasties), but I think that Ashrak looks pretty good. Groblog is unnecessary though as we already have Durburz and we'll be getting the Great Goblin, Azog and Bolg in under a year.

That's what I don't like, you'll have the option to have 3 - 5 different named goblin kings all in the same army? Like really?

@theavenger
Easily fixed with a houserule restricting a Goblin force to One named Goblin King at a time.

@Drauglin.
I suppose you could say that there are so many named Goblin Kings because they get theyir butts kicked a lot and their Kings keep dying. : :rofl:

Lord Hurin · **Posted:** Sun Mar 18, 2012 1:03 am

Having Azog and Bolg in an army together isn't totally implausible; Bolg was obviously a tough enough Goblin to survive not only the Battle Azanulbizar but also the infighting that doubtless came after his father's death, and still he came out on top. Even the Great Goblin would fit in with them, as he was a contemporary of Bolg but perhaps rules a different hold in the Misty Mountains. Durburz, who is the unnamed Goblin king when Balin's expedition set out, would even fit there since Balin supposedly killed him only about 50 years after the Great Goblin and Bolg were killed.

Groblog is the odd man out, being not even so much as referred to in canon. As much as I like his increased Might and such, mine may be given a head and leg swap and turn into a Goblin Captain.

GothmogtheWerewolf · **Posted:** Sun Mar 18, 2012 1:41 am

Lord Hurin wrote:

GothmogtheWerewolf wrote:

I have never seen anyone roll decent with any form of artillery, when I myself use them, I'd be lucky to roll a 2 (in other words its 1, 1 and 1)

Yikes, I hope I have better luck! I've got two Dwarf Ballistas but I've never used them. I mainly bought them because they were cheap and will look cool in "full army" formations.

In defence of my D6, they tend to roll a lot of 6s in courage tests, but a lot of 1s with aything artillery or magic related.

whafrog · **Posted:** Sun Mar 18, 2012 2:19 am

Draugluin wrote:

You can ally him into any army you want and just have him lead plastic rangers. His rule works on everyone, doesn't it?

Kind of limited though thematically. If I played in a wider group I'd probably miss the LoME limits more.

I don't know that Good needs such a Fate-save ability to be available to all, I'd rather see other things, like at least one S4 Gondor option (say, upgrade Fountain Court for 2 points), or one more 2A elf profile (other than the Sentinel).

Phoenix1986 · **Posted:** Wed Mar 21, 2012 2:15 am

I would think that most players would stick to 1 faction for most games

Especially newer players. Also tourneys would just make up their own restrictions anyway.

I am a Warhammer veteran and just started LotR with the latest books and i quite like them. I know most people here probably disagree but everytime major rules change lots of people dislike them. Look at current 40K forums lol

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