Firstly, I’m very sorry if anyone misinterpreted my post as in any way vitriolic, unfortunately, I think the complete lack of tone and expression in type can often lead to such misunderstandings. Whilst I’m very wary of what Whafrog said, I think the mods are largely concerned with personal/sarcastic remarks rather than healthy debate between members so hopefully my post below is simply polite disagreement rather than any form of angry attack. The instruction was turn down the heat rather than change the subject so I think this will be alright.
commoner wrote:
You also have absolutely no proof of this, just like you have no proof about anything you've said. Several LOTR models never were released that were alternate poses/sculpts, that's my proof….And has about as much "proof" as the rest of this thread does that they are finecast…You also can't say these are definitely finecast - again pure speculation on your part - based on one picture. There could be more models, you just haven't seen them in that ONE picture.
I, along with everyone else on this thread, never claimed to have proof about anything, I was simply offering a different opinion to your own. We’re making educated guesses about the models presented - there were three poses of each of the Laketowners, they were Finecast, there are only 3 poses of each type of Gundabad = they will probably be Finecast.
commoner wrote:
Also what proof do you have GW isn't using the same strategies in terms of miniature releases as they did for The Hobbit?
I didn’t say this, I said they haven’t got the same approach for the Hobbit as they had for LOTR.
commoner wrote:
So yes, that Bard may never see the light of day. It's about as relevant as all the other miniatures that have never made release either in GW history.
I disagree, claiming that a model shown for a new range won’t ever be released because it hasn’t been released 2 months into the range’s life is rather unlikely to say the least, should we also assume that we won’t ever get a Bear model for Beorn as well?
commoner wrote:
Lol. Classic internet move here. You focus on the finecast while ignoring the fact they did do this repeatedly with metal throughout the history of the SBG line, heck, all their miniature lines. It's a common practice for GW.
I’m focussing on the Finecast because there are no metal miniatures for the Hobbit so it’s the only material that’s relevant. As of yet they’ve never replaced Finecast with plastic so it’s a safe bet that they won’t do so here.
commoner wrote:
But if you would pay attention to their other rumors all finecast production is being phased out like they are phasing out metal now. Finecast will be REPLACED by forgeworld resin and plastic kits. Those kits that sell well will become plastic, the others will become resin…Did you also know they are supposedly reworking Warhammer from the ground up. Rumors say it is to the point it will barely resemble the current game. That many of its core armies are going to be cut.
I think you’re placing far too much faith in various internet rumours, a lot of these sites such as Nafka etc. simply work as rumour aggregators, picking up rumours from the web and reposting them, other people then take those rumours and pass them on and the rumour gains weight in that manner. The VAST majority of rumours posted on Nafka turn out to be false so I really wouldn’t read too much into them. The only firm things we have to go on are recent release trends and official announcements,
commoner wrote:
You know, a lot of the pictures you see in the books are their resin, mock ups of the miniatures they made for the studio. That's why they're plastic miniatures typically don't have mold lines or weird printing.
Again, I’m not sure this is true, I’ve certainly never heard it before but it may well be true. Their plastic models absolutely do have mould lines though.
commoner wrote:
Also, as Dorthonion pointed out to you below, the orcs were metal in Fellowship days and you needed 200 of those. At 8 USD a blister for three that was 533 dollars. And that's just for the orcs!
I’m not sure quite why this is relevant but you certainly didn’t
need 200 of them. There was one Last Alliance scenario that called for 240 metal orcs and I think it’s a safe bet that no-one ever played that scenario back in 2001….
commoner wrote:
These models were decided in 2012. They were decided before Azog was switched, remember. So you take a picture with the old Azog miniature in it. Then Azog changes. So you have a choice, retake the picture (which means getting the figs out, the terrain, setting everything up, getting a camera man, taking the picture, processing/uploading the picture, editing the picture, touching up the picture, etc). Or you could have the graphic design guy cut and paste the new Azog into an existing picture so you don't have to mess with all of that.
Again, I respectfully disagree, the Azog and young dwarf models were only made last year, probably alongside the Laketowners and Gundabads. So the photos taken for the Dimril Dale scenarios were almost certainly taken at some point last year, there’s a whole selection of photos from the Dimril Dale scenarios, a few of which feature the Gundabads. I sincerely doubt that these photos were taken alongside some very early Gunadabad models and then Thorin, Dwalin, Balin and Azog were all Photoshopped in rather than retaking the pictures.
commoner wrote:
While I'm on the subject, just so you know, things may look bad for us - which they do - but at the same time, you can't even buy any of the core choices for the Empire army in WFB at a store anymore. It's all direct only. In fact, a good chunk of the warhammer line is direct only. So I guess we're in the same boat, huh?
Again, I’m not sure of the relevance of this to the issue at hand but I believe this is down to GW stores only having limited shelf space no? They’ve started only keeping the big sellers of each range in the stores. Their ranges have grown in physical size exponentially over the years and they simply can’t keep everything in the stores - there’s certainly no sign that GW are winding down support for fantasy. An equivalent comparison would be if the new Empire spearmen were released as Finecast rather than plastic, that’s what people on this thread are worried about, the fact that GW seems to be releasing models that previously would have been plastic in Finecast.
Just to reiterate, all friendly discussion, nothing wrong with a difference in opinion, makes the world go round and all that
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I did but I already had enough orcs when the game out. That scenario was for group play anyway. But your point was made.
) and I am slightly beginning to wonder if we will see many more substantial releases (like plastic boxes, starter sets) for SBG. I really hope I am wrong but I do wonder.
I'll do you one better: we had to assemble the set ourselves. Starting from opening the box and clipping the parts from the frickin' sprues. That's the stores own set we are talking about!! 