Azog wrote:
Nice work Grimhelm, you show that there is MUCH MORE to the hobby than the GW way. A fantastic bit of work and I think the members will be inspired by the finished article. Well Done Mate!:wink:
Speaking of the GW way, this is what they came up with; rather worrying seeing how we know they plan to release Corsairs
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http://thewarofthering.uk.games-worksho ... ir-ship/1/Anyway, it is good if other people are interested in shipbuilding; for more information, see my website on naval wargaming. It would be appreciated if anyone working on a ship project sends me a picture as per the site, as we can all benefit from other hobbyists:
http://www.freewebs.com/portsofpelargir/Dorthonion wrote:
It's a very brave step to take, coming up with something that fits into the genre without having the convenience of a mini or much in the way of artwork, but a very good argument for using the late medieval era ship design.
If you see my website, it contains much more material on the different period ships referenced by Tolkien. Other ships could be equally interesting, but the carrack is by far the largest and most impressive.
hithero wrote:
A very good article but does fall down on a couple of things especially as research was carried out. Deck planking 'always' runs fore-aft. The lines are rather straight, especially the stern but this is very hard to get right on a model, so well done on what you did manage to do. Why paint it all brown, I don't know how I would paint mine but it just looks too brown, maybe the sides should be painted in a different colour? Please take this as constructive critisism as intended for you next marine project.
This is nothing new to me, as my family has been involved in ships and boats for generations. However, in my research into the Letters of JRR Tolkien, in Letter 211, he explains how he imagines the Numenoreans as Eqyptains. From what I have seen of the ships of antiquity, particularly Rome and Egypt, the planks run port-starboard. Also, looking into the films, Peter Jackson's (briefly shown) version of Elven ships seem to display port-starboard planks too. Fore-aft planks are there for construction-reasons. So why would these ships display such inherent flaws? Perhaps the Elves were incorrect in ship-construction, but for the finest race of ship-wrights in Middle-earth, this seems unlikely. Therefore, I had to assume that in the lands of Middle-earth the Elves had their own reasons for building ships thus - perhaps they discovered a means of effectively doing so, as they were after all, gifted with a "magic" of their own.
Now, although the carrack would indeed run fore-aft as you suggest, the larger the ship, the easier it is to build port-starboard planks. While carrack-builders still found it easier to work fore-aft, the Numenoreans, as I have already said, are suggested as having used port-starboard planking. Now, as I have strongly hinted at in my article, the Wardens of Pelargir followed the traditions of the Numenoreans. And finally, because I wanted my ship to be slightly different from the typical carrack, I chose the direction of my planks accordingly.
DurinsBane wrote:
It seems like the end of an era seeing this project come to fruition.
But with the end of an era another begins. Look to my thread and you will see how much material I have for part two (and more!) of this planned series of articles:
http://www.one-ring.co.uk/phpBB2/viewto ... 6719#76719
Thanks for your feedback!
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