Star Wars Episode 7

JamesR · **Posted:** Fri Jun 06, 2014 11:09 pm

So as a longtime Star Wars fan I was of course outraged that Disney was making an episode 7 as it would conflict with the EU. Then to make matters worse they simply threw out the entire EU.
Now the latest rumours say there is no New Republic in this film and tree main villain is a yet undermined female who is probably not Mara Jade but is a Sith.

Anyone else ready to burn down Disney?

Sithious · **Posted:** Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:48 am

Yup.
I collected Star Wars Toys since I was a kid (born in 70's so vintage to present). I loved it. I was forgiving when the prequels were not great since it was a different generation.
However, Clonewars started to suck when Lucas let his daughter have a say. And I listened to interviews with GL and noted a pattern that he no longer liked Star Wars, it is pretty clear. When he allowed Robot Chicken to spoof I know he was starting to make fun of his own creation. Things were going south fast. But I was still on board, I was a fan, but I could see where it was going.
As soon as the announcement of the sale was made, I never bought a SW item since. I don't plan too. GL is out and so Star wars is finished. Disney is probably going to have some cool things to bring, but as a long time fan of science fiction, anyone could bring cool things to a already thoroughly worked up universe, it is too easy. But I will not spend another penny on Star Wars again. Lets see 25 boba fetts flying around and 500 different sith lords that look like Maul. And lets have a hot chick with a bad streak, like everyone else does to get the nerds away from their computers. The whole thing can be written in crayon at a pre school how Disney is going to make the 4 billion back.

correction, if the made a Battlefront 3 I would at least check it out.

JamesR · **Posted:** Sat Jun 07, 2014 1:24 am

I too really want a battlefront 3 as well. I used to have a massive collection of figures, books, etc. But I've sold most of those off.
The thing that upsets me the most is the throwing out of my favorite characters like Thrawn, Corran Horn, Kyle Katarn, Pelleon and the like. I read over 300 of the books over the years ava the EU being tossed out is nothing short of a slap in the face

Bofur The Dwarf · **Posted:** Sat Jun 07, 2014 7:37 am

Yes.
I'm also a big Star Wars fan, and like you both collected books and figures for some years. I've lost interest over the years Dieu to lotr and this hobby. It still remains one of my favourite things.

It saddens me that Disney are throwing out the EU. I used to love that most of all! And I haven't heard anything about no New Republic in the next film, but that is below the belt for many fans.

I could tell George's interest in his franchise was going down hill. Granted the Clone Wars wasn't the best of his works, I still enjoyed it but it was a step down from his previous work. Battlefront 3 I'll check out, as I enjoyed the previous games. I'm not a big fan of these movies though so far. I may not even watch them.

Joe5mc · **Joined:** Thu Nov 14, 2013 4:38 pm **Posts:** 74

Aren't we being a little harsh, considering that Disney hasn't actually released anything yet?

Personally, I'm glad that George Lucas has handed it on. He had pretty clearly lost his touch with the series. Giving a new generation a chance to play in his universe could produce some really great stuff.

It is sad that that they declared the Expanded Universe non-cannon, but that doesn't mean that elements of it won't be incorporated into the new story they are building. Also, some of it would have been impractical considering the age of the actors.

Let's give it a chance, I say.

Coenus Scaldingus · **Joined:** Sat Aug 17, 2013 9:14 am **Posts:** 1121

Don't have a connection with the extended universe, so that is probably a big advantage. If I did, I could imagine these films feeling like the Hobbit ones (about 10% of which I could appreciate). But hey, whatever is going to happen, surely it won't be worse than much of #1.. or #2 and #3? Lucas doesn't have much to do with it, and apparantly, Brienne of Tarth has joined the cast. Could be amazing, could be terrible, could be quite alright. We'll see.

Dorthonion · **Posted:** Sat Jun 07, 2014 9:54 am

The Throne Wars

JamesR · **Posted:** Sat Jun 07, 2014 4:51 pm

Joe5mc wrote:

It is sad that that they declared the Expanded Universe non-cannon, but that doesn't mean that elements of it won't be incorporated into the new story they are building. Also, some of it would have been impractical considering the age of the actors.

But that just means they could pick a different part of the EU. The actors ages now would be perfect for the Yuuzen Vong war or Jaden Solo's fall to the dark side shortly after.

The whole declaration of the EU as no longer cannon is stupid. Just declare this a reboot if you want to diverge from the established story. Plenty of fiction does this already (such as comic books like Spider - Man). Just say you're keeping the core (episodes 1-6) and adding the Clone wars and Episodes 7+.

This way the EU becomes the "Classic Arc" and the new story becomes the "Modern Era" or some other such name

the big goblin · Last updated 7-1-15

When I heard Disney were making Star Wars Episode 7 I knew its not going to be good.Please Disney don't mess it up and don't sneak in Micky mouse in like they did to Pirates of the Caribbean.

JamesR · **Posted:** Sat Jun 07, 2014 9:01 pm

the big goblin wrote:

When I heard Disney were making Star Wars Episode 7 I knew its not going to be good.Please Disney don't mess it up and don't sneak in Micky mouse in like they did to Pirates of the Caribbean.

Initially I was worried as well then my friend pointed out they've made all the recent Avengers movies, so film quality is less of a concern for myself

Wise Old Elf · **Posted:** Sun Jun 08, 2014 12:46 am

Disney are doing a great job on the Avengers franchise, and I must admit that while I dislike most of Disney's output even Pirates of the Caribbean was submersing and enjoyable, until about halfway through World's End at least.

I think it's far too early to poo-poo the new Star Wars films. When more details are released, such as characters, which actors/actresses are linked to them, and plot, etc., then I think we'll have reasons to debate. Also, let's face it, J.J. Abrams is never going to let fans down on this one. I know his versions of Star Trek are never going to be as good as the originals, but it would be silly to say they are dreadful. They're full of well-defined characters, explorable settings, interesting character relationships, and absolutely undeniably impeccable visuals. If Abrams can bring all this back to Star Wars, then regardless of plot, I'm buying in.

Pindergorn · **Posted:** Sun Jun 08, 2014 2:23 am

I'm very much looking forward to it. And even if the new movies suck...so what? I still have the original series, and Ep. II & III on DVD (and Ep. I on VHS - never bothered to replace it with DVD). If the sequels are naff, I'll simply go back and re-watch the originals and enjoy them all over again.

I'm not one of those people who think poor sequels/remakes tarnish the superior originals by association and therefore ruin the entire franchise. The original movies still exist, unchanged. Theres nothing stopping you from going back and re-watching them.

Gene Parmesan · **Posted:** Sun Jun 08, 2014 1:42 pm

It's a double edged sword.

I'm really looking forward to the new one, but have reservations about Disney's long term plan.

The older I get the more I've come to accept that there are really only 2 great star wars films. If you look at the prequels they already look horribly artificial, barely 10 years on. The new ones seem to have accepted this, and from reports are relying heavily on sets and practical effects. Now this alone wont make for a good film, but it's important that they are at least aiming to make something that lasts. The open letter to JJ Abrams seems to chime with the new direction for EP7.

This brings me on to my next point, creating something that is built to last. I think the proposed spin-offs are going to be cheap CGI cash-ins. There's already one lined up for 2016. It'll be popcorn fodder, and will saturate the market, and ultimately dilute Star Wars. I don't really watch comic book films, but having seen most of the x-men ones, it's obvious they let the whole thing spiral out of control.

As for the Expanded Universe, I see no sense in a future Star Wars film being an adaptation of existing material. The books, comics and games will always be in existence. It is a pity all that massive body of work is sort of sidelined, but I think artistically they need a blank canvas to work on. At least they have said they'll take inspiration from the EU. I do think it is naive in the extreme to expect anything more than blink-and-you'll-miss-it cameos.

I think that if they can stick to the following parameters, we're in for a treat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlaLTZn ... redirect=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_joDNOpeWWo&feature=kp

Incidentally, I was standing beside Domhnall Gleeson in a bar the other night.

Dorthonion · **Posted:** Sun Jun 08, 2014 1:53 pm

Captain Jar-jar Sparrow...

Actually I was pretty despairing when I heard Disney were making a pirate film based on a ride in one of their theme parks, but the original PotC:CotBP is an ok film with some nice moments.
I will wait and see.

Sithious · **Posted:** Sun Jun 08, 2014 9:03 pm

I think Disney makes great films. That is no a question, and thy do great merchandising (my daughter is 3 and already knows all the princesses).

I also like the avengers stuff, there is almost nothing cannon about a comic book, it all is constantly changed. So it is accepted that as long as the character is in character then the plot will fall in to place most of the time.

The Pirates movies were adventure fun. They had nothing to uphold to, even history could be side tracked since it is fantasy. They had free run to pull out every trick.

Also Star Trek both the orig and these new ones are great. I enjoyed them. The story of why everything is different makes total sense to make a clean canvas so to speak.

Where Star Wars differs is in some odd details.
1 - 4 billion dollars is a lot of pressure to make back. That means every single "cool" thing will be exploited and ran until you are sick of it. Lucas didn't make Boba Spin offs, He didn't bring Maul back in episode 2, he didn't give in to what was popular in order to make money, he stuck with telling a story. It may not have been the greatest all the time, but it was consistent to itself. Disney will not follow this code. No other film is set with such a high price standard to reach. Fellowship of the ring may have made a billion dollars, but they only paid in 400 million for all three films, so there was not a un reachable goal to make in ten years, but they made in the first film. Disney will want to see return on investment of not just the IP rights but also whatever the film will cost to make... That is a lot of pressure.
2 - Star Wars under lying theme is that the little guy can rise up and take out the big guy. Or love and soul conquers tech and militant, or in a politics side, democracy trumps socialism and tyranny. This is now sitting in the hands of a huge multi billion dollar company, the biggest guy on the rock. I don't think they will have the same residual under currents or tones. Though they make family movies, they still sort of manufacture it to a standard.
3 - Care of the work. Will they care about the small details? If you watch making of documentaries, you will know that Lucas cared about the small details. He was also good at meeting his deadlines but not at the expense of the work, He would just shoot something else while they fixed some character or whatever. He had a vision. He created this universe with his vision. Anyone else will have a different vision even if they try their best, it will be different.
4 - The fact that Lucas sold it instead of passing it on to his children doesn't sit well with me. It was not out of greed either. Kind of a, "I hate Star Wars so I want it out of my life completely". I almost feel like he wants Star Wars to go off the track of his vision as well. I expect that is input he gave for these films was just that, make it yours and not mine. It is guessing I know, but that is the feeling I got from the small tid bits of info on the sale from him. But I expect this to be Star Wars in name alone, and not anything to do with the first 6 films aside from use as a launch point.

So, again. Disney is very capable of making a great film. They could have started their own universe and made some great Science Fiction and started their own story arcs. Instead they bought one and are going to milk it for everything they can get for it. It will be saturated, Star Wars will be in your face more than ever before, good or bad. So I am opting out and won't have to worry about it. Freedom is mine, I can just choose to not watch anything new and there for nothing will ever be tarnished or polished, just the same. From all the rumors so far, They are already using cliché and niche idea's that are unoriginal and transparent in the creation. I hope everyone enjoys it.
The one good thing I take from this is that there will be a Star Wars for a new generation. It is not my generation so I don't need to be part of it. But I hope that it is as special to them as it has been to me. And that is real.

dpb1298 · **Posted:** Mon Jun 09, 2014 9:13 pm

For all those interested in battlefront 3 take a look at this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yKv45X_OIo

JamesR · **Posted:** Tue Jun 10, 2014 12:39 am

It better come out this time! I've waited so dang long for it lol. And they better keep the ground to space transition within 1 map like that were going to do.
The original leaked footage years and years ago has set my expectations sky high (and beyond)

JamesR · **Posted:** Mon Jun 16, 2014 3:52 pm

So Harrison Ford was seriously injured on the set and we have this update released on the probable villains.

http://www.starwarsunderworld.com/2014/ ... h.html?m=1

I'm not really a fan of Luke turning his back on the Jedi way so quickly, Leia never developing her gifts (which is from episode 6) and there being no other Jedi.

I don't mind the inquisitors idea though

Dorthonion · **Posted:** Mon Jun 16, 2014 6:26 pm

Just as long as the Big Bad is not Darth Jar-Jar...

JamesR · **Posted:** Mon Jun 16, 2014 6:40 pm

Dorthonion wrote:

Just as long as the Big Bad is not Darth Jar-Jar...

So he was really the true mastermind! He even played Palpatine! :shock:

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