Right i have a game tomorrow, 450 points, this is the list i will be using.

Mordor:

Orc shaman 50 points
Ringwraith 1+ might 1+ fate 65 points

17 mordor orcs with shield 102 points
9 mordor orcs with 2 handers 45 points
9 mordor orcs with spears 54 points

Far Harad:

Mahud King + shield 80 points

5 mahud warriors 55 points

4 might
0 bows
43 models


I am facing a mixture from Isenguard (mainly berserkers), Harad (mainly haradrim) and mordor (morrannon orcs) there will also be a troll cheiftain.
He has 35 models including some archers.


The troll cheiftain is my main problem, hence the wraith, which will try and transfix it, whilst the orc (in fury) will be feed to it until later on in the game when the Mahud king will hopefully have a crack at it. Hopefully once he breaks most of his units will flee (bar berserkers) whilst my orc should stay and my mshud king should keep the mahud in the fight.


Any Tactics or changes to the army i should make?

Thanks,

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Are you playing strictly LoME legal?

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"War does not determine who is right, only who is left."
- Bertrand Russel

okay are you playing LoME rules, if not get some haradrim bowmen in there, you're going to need some fire power out there!

secondly for me you've spent a bit much on heros. for around the 500 point mark i try and take one power hero and one spell caster. if you're getting rid of one use it to get some bowmen, for the 50 points of dropping the shaman (what i recomend) you can get 8 orc bowman, thats enough to make your opponent make a mkove that perhaps he doesn't want to do, even if it is either tieing up his archers in the shoot phase, or taking a longer route using terrain to cover themseves.
if you want to stick with the 3rd hero i'd take a captain. one of the named ones with 3 might would really help your guys.
i'd also consider getting more spearman and less shields

as for dealing with the troll chieftain transfix it with the ringwraith and then get your mahud in there to really mess it up. but make sure you don't become to focused on it and forget the rest of the battle. let me know how it goes!

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I really don't like orc bowmen but that's just me. He can't drop the shaman because otherwise he dosen't have a hero from Mordor list making it LoME illegal. And if he wants Haradrim bowmen, he needs to take another for the Haradrim contingment.

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"War does not determine who is right, only who is left."
- Bertrand Russel

thats true, also means you'd have to take some harad warriors without bows to make it 1/3. but if you're not playing legions (which from the sounds of the opposing army list they're not) then you can get away with it

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The darkness of Moria you say? Nothing compared to the mess in my bedroom!

No i am not playing legions (although my list is fair), the reason i want the shaman is for fury so that they are ok when i am broken, the mahud can take care of themselves. the ringwraith is for the troll and just general disruption.

I was debating swapping the mahud and king for an Orc captain and a Cave troll (doesnt matter about LOME), or swapping them for Gothmog, but i thought i needed some numbers.
As for the spearmen and shieldmen numbers, that the most i have of each, as i have dug them out after 6 months of using Corsairs and Rohan.

The army must have 1/3 bow limit from all models.

If i was to take something out to put archers in, what should it be? Bearing in mind the things i have said above about the roles of models, the fact that it is not LOME and the archery models i have (8 corsair bowmen, 3 arbalesters, 8 orc archers, 4 goblin archers, and 6 haradrim archers (which i dont think i will use seeing as my opponent is using them).

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Sun is by sea-men always hoped for,
when they fare away over the fishes' bath,
until the brine-stallion they bring to land.
OERP

well when you're broken the stand fast! of your other 2 heros should keep your troops at there positions, particualrly with the ringwraiths courage 6! but it's up to you!

i'd be tempted to take them instead of the muhad, i would have thought they'd just become arrow fodder if you've got nothing to shoot back with. I'd take the haradrim because of the poison arrows and then corsairs bowmen to round off your list.

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The darkness of Moria you say? Nothing compared to the mess in my bedroom!

If you're not playing LoME then drop the shaman and get some corsair archers. So I'm thinking it should (IMO) look like this.

Mordor:

Ringwraith 100pts. (-1 will and fate)
12 orcs w. shields 72pts.
10 orcs w. spears 60pts.

Far Harad:

Mahud king 80pts.
5 Mahud warriors 55pts.

Corsairs:
3 corsair arbalests 33pts.(?)
6 corsair bowmen 48pts.

Total: 448pts. 38models. 5 might. 9 shots. Much more shooting and a more endurable ringwraith but not as many guys. Perhaps weaken the ringwraith and get more guys? All up to you of course.

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"War does not determine who is right, only who is left."
- Bertrand Russel

Well thanks you evryone for posting, i can tell you that in the end i swapped the Shaman, Ringwraith, and several orcs out for Saruman, and whilst i was shot to pieces on te way in, i managed to keep the Troll imobilised for most of the game. Unfortunaltely i had smoe very poor dice rolls against his 6 Berserkers andi was broken very early, thankfully Saruman's double Stand Fast! range and the Mahud King's lucky dice rolls managed to keep me in the game and i managed to break him after several turns of tense fighting, his force was quite spread out by this time and although he still had an Orc Captain and th dreaded Troll Cheiftain left with full health, the Captain could not save all the troops and wwas eventually killed by the Mahud King and remaining Mahud, whilst Saruman kept the Troll Immonlised and the his Hradrim archers began to leave the board. Finnally a few truns later the troll fled the board and with only about 5 Harad archers left and 1 Harad spearmen, my opponent conceded the game. I was left with Saruman, about 10 Orcs and the Mahud King.

Victory to the Isenguard Orccs and Mahud!

Thanks everyone for your army suggestions and help.

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Sun is by sea-men always hoped for,
when they fare away over the fishes' bath,
until the brine-stallion they bring to land.
OERP

it's always great to hear some feedback, and of course nice to see you totally ignored the advice given completely
sounds like a great battle and i'm glad you came out on top!

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The darkness of Moria you say? Nothing compared to the mess in my bedroom!

Yes, sorry about that, but i had a brainwave at the last minute and it turns out it paid off.

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Sun is by sea-men always hoped for,
when they fare away over the fishes' bath,
until the brine-stallion they bring to land.
OERP