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Author:  Expendable Grunt [ Sat Apr 24, 2010 8:24 pm ]
Post subject:  500pt Gondorian Armies (SBG)
Hey folks!

I'm new to this forum and the game in general, so I just wanted to run these two army ideas past you and ask for your critisism, suggestions, and your opinion regarding which of the two is best.

I currently have Faramir, the Minas Tirith Battlehost set, and a box of WoMT to work with.

Minas Tirith List:

King of Men - 70pts
Heavy armour
Shield

Captain of Minas Tirith - 55pts
Shield

12 Warriors of Minas Tirith - 96pts
Shields

12 Warriors of minas Tirith - 108pts
Shields
Spears

9 Rangers of Gondor - 72pts

6 Guards of the Fountain Court - 66pts
Shields

Warrior of Minas Tirith - 32pts
Banner

499pts
5 Might
(King of Men will be a converted WoMT)

Rangers of Ithilien list:

Faramir, Captain of Gondor - 75pts
Heavy Armour

15 Osgiliath Veterans -135pts
Shield

15 Osgiliath Veterans -150pts
Shield
Spear

8 Rangers of Gondor - 72pts

4 Rangers of Gondor - 36pts
Spear

Warrior of Minas Tirith - 32 pts
Banner

500 pts
3 Might
(Osgiliath Vets will be converted from WoMT)

Not sure whether to take two cheap heroes, as in the first list, or a single, slightly more powerful one with a few extra troops. (Second list)

I would be grateful to recieve feedback of any kind :)
Author:  Tackitis [ Sat Apr 24, 2010 10:38 pm ]
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Both lists look solid.

I don't believe Boromir is worth it at 500 points and the main strength of your armies is that you have 40+ models with majority having defense 6 or higher.

The only thing I might suggest is taking a horn blower with the Ithilien list, courage 5 veterans are surprising useful.

I would also say take some knights if you have them but I have feeling the battle host doesn't have them. And only first list will be able to have them anyway.
Author:  Highlordell [ Sun Apr 25, 2010 7:19 pm ]
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I think both lists are solid at the moment, my preferred list is the 2nd one because of the large numbers of OV and Rangers wich should give you the edge in combat and shooting, providing Faramir is alive, and you made the right choice using the one in heavy armour.

I would maybe put in Damrod, a cheap hero with some Might which may prove invaluble as you only have 3 at the moment. Overall apart from that the list seems fine.

The 1st list looks strong with lots of Defence 6 units as has already been said. Also the fact you have 2 Heroes is very useful.

I would either swap out some troops for Knights, or change the King into a Captain and then take out less troops to replace with Knights, although the King's high Courage is something to bear in mind.
Author:  the director [ Sun Apr 25, 2010 10:12 pm ]
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i think the second list has too many elites, you want to have some in your army, but not make the main bulk of your force out of them, i'd get maybe 10 and then have WoMT to pack it out. gives you a more ballanced army.

Do you get any cavalry in that battlehost? if you do i'd consider using them, that mobility and charge will give you a lot of extra punch!
Author:  spuds4ever [ Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:33 am ]
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I think the OV are worth just 1 point more as he is including Faramir which produces some nice special rules.
Author:  Fredwidge [ Mon Apr 26, 2010 12:34 pm ]
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I think both list are pretty good.

I personally like the second list better but I agree you should get another hero in the list like Damrod or a Captain of Minas Tirith.

just thought I would point out that in LoME Faramir can only be armed with a bow in the rangers of Ithilien list, If you want him with heavy armor you would have to put in another hero (Damrod) to lead the Rangers of Ithilien and then ally with Faramir from the tower of Ecthelion. LoME has had a lot of mistakes though so if its wrong or has been over ridden in different source books, so sorry for the mistake.

As for the second list the only thing it lacks is some cavalry but I don't know what you would drop to make room for some.

Over all you made two very nice lists but I would chose the second.
Author:  Expendable Grunt [ Mon Apr 26, 2010 3:20 pm ]
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Thanks for all your advice, folks!

Bearing your comments in mind, i've redrafted the second list:

Tower of Echthelion:

Faramir, Captain of Gondor - 80pts
Heavy Armour
Bow

Rangers of Ithilien:

Damrod, Ranger of Ithilien - 20pts

15 Osgiliath Veterans -135pts
Shield

15 Osgiliath Veterans -150pts
Shield
Spear

7 Rangers of Gondor - 56pts

3 Rangers of Gondor - 27pts
Spear

Warrior of Minas Tirith - 32 pts
Banner

500 pts
43 Units
4 Might
12 Shots

I consider the Veterans worth the extra point per model as they have a higher courage of 4, and when within 6" of Faramir, their fight value is also increased to four, making them a match for Uruks one-on-one.

I've sacrificed two rangers and, due to some dodgy initial calculations, can now afford to stick Damrod in the list, giving me another Might point.

As the list originally totalled 495 pts, I've also decided to give faramir a bow, to give me another shot if i'm turtling.

Thanks to Fredwidge aswell, for pointing out that Faramir in the Rangers of Ithilien list can't have heavy armour - something I had totally overlooked. :oops:

Once again, thank you all for your help! :-D
Author:  archmage45 [ Mon Apr 26, 2010 4:46 pm ]
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Skip the bow for Faramir. You don't want him hanging back. Give him a horse and a lance. He isn't quite as killy as his brother, but still hurts a whole lot when you charge!
Author:  spuds4ever [ Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:26 pm ]
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urm... he dosen't have any cavalry in his list and that would expose him more to shots.
Author:  archmage45 [ Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:43 pm ]
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He doesn't have to ride out in front! He hangs back behind the front line and counter charges!
Author:  Mouth-of-Sauron [ Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:33 am ]
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Well He said already that he gave Faramir the bow cause he had 5 pts. left

I wouldn´t hang back either with Faramir, but horse and a lance is a matter of personal opinion, it has its pros and cons :rofl: 8)
Author:  Expendable Grunt [ Tue Apr 27, 2010 7:15 pm ]
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Aye, the only reason I gave Faramir a bow was because the list came to 495pts, and I reasoned that if I was turtling (holding an objective, for example), then i might aswell put his 3+ shoot value to good use :)
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