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Author:  DaDarkMarshal [ Sat Jul 07, 2012 6:04 am ]
Post subject:  1500pt Mordor Force
Hi everyone. I have a large amount of Mordor stuff and I am looking to put together a 1500pt SBG force (nothing to competitive, just some good fun). My main opponents are usually Rivendell, Galadhrim, some Gondor and Fiefdoms (lots of powerful heroes such as Glorfindel, The twins, borimir ect). So far I have:

Heroes:
Witch king of Angmar
Gothmog
The Dark Marshall (foot and mounted)
Troll Chieftan
The Mouth of Sauron
3x Orc Captains
Orc Shaman

Warriors:
22 Orcs with shield
22 Orcs with spears
8 Orc Archers
8 Orc 2handed
3 Orc Banner Bearers
12 Mordor Uruk hai (3 2handed, 9 sword)
12 Black Numenorean Warriors

I don't have to use all of them but I want to use most of them. I want to get Gothmog on warg, Undying, shadowlord, and 12 warg riders (to make better use of gothmog on wargs heroic move special rule) some mordor troll (to help take out powerful heroes) if they are any help. So what do you think?
Thanks
Author:  Elessar Telcontar [ Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:54 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 1500pt Mordor Force
I think you should definitely use the Troll Chieftain, he can easily beat a hero like Boromir until he runs out of might.
Note that you are not allowed to post points costs for single models.
Author:  DaDarkMarshal [ Sat Jul 07, 2012 11:27 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 1500pt Mordor Force
Thanks for the reply. Yeah the Troll Chieftan is definetly a must, he has taken down Aragorn, Elrond, Glorfindel, Borimir and the Twins so many times that the eleven archers are always pointing in his direction, so i cover him with orcs so they have to roll in the way shots.

Do you think I should add more Mordor Trolls or more nazgul? The nazgul are nice with their transfixing but sometimes I feel that I want more punch like that from the troll.

I will try removing the points, thanks for the advice :-D
Author:  Bartelomeus [ Sat Jul 07, 2012 12:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 1500pt Mordor Force
Do you have to roll "in the way" when orcs are in front of a troll?
I almost always use my chieftain and never even thought about that.

Don't know what the offcial rule is regarding height difference/in the way rolls.
Author:  SuicidalMarsbar [ Sat Jul 07, 2012 12:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 1500pt Mordor Force
Bartelomeus wrote:
Do you have to roll "in the way" when orcs are in front of a troll?
I almost always use my chieftain and never even thought about that.

Don't know what the offcial rule is regarding height difference/in the way rolls.


Yup, an in the way roll is always required when there is one model blocking another, regardless of size :)

Anyhow, have you considered getting some morgul knights? They're ten fold more effective than warg riders.
Author:  GothmogtheWerewolf [ Sat Jul 07, 2012 12:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 1500pt Mordor Force
Give all you Mordor Uruk-hai with sword a shield. Combine them with Black Numenoreans for a Core of 21 modles, support them with 21 of your Orc spearmen. The Troll Chieftain you can use too.

DaDarkMarshal wrote:
I want to get Gothmog on warg, Undying, shadowlord, and 12 warg riders


You can't take Gothmog, The Undying the Shadow Lord and a Troll chieftain in the same army unless you are doing entirely heroes otherwise you are too small, even at 1500pts. Take Gothmog and 1 of the Wraiths, preferably on a Fell Beast, and the Troll.

Also, only put a maximum of 8 Warg Riders at forat and only add more if you have the pts after building up the rest of your army.

The Mouth of Sauron and your Orc Captains can be used to increase the amount of Warriors in your army too.
Author:  tlotrsbg [ Sat Jul 07, 2012 2:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 1500pt Mordor Force
what community are getting to have great games like this with ? .. I feel like the only lotr player in hertfordshire :/
Author:  DaDarkMarshal [ Sun Jul 08, 2012 12:10 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 1500pt Mordor Force
Ok after reading the suggestions given, I have came up with this

Warband 1
Witch King of Angmar
12 Mordor Uruk-hai
246pts

Warband 2
Gothmog
Orc Banner Bearer
11 Orc Warriors
231pts

Warband 3
The Dark Marshal on steed
5 Morgal Knights
230pts

Warband 4
The Mouth of Sauron
12 Black Numenorean Warriors
180pts

Warband 5
Orc Captain
Orc Banner Bearer
11 Orc Warriors
141pts

Warband 6
Orc Captain
Orc Banner Bearer
11 Orc Warriors
141pts

Warband 7
Orc Shaman
12 Orc Warriors
117pts

Warband 8
Mordor Troll Chieftan
12 Orc Warriors
212pts

Total 1498pts

So I have removed the wargs in place for 5 morgal knights and gave the dark marshal a steed (the terror should make it hard for them to be charged next turn if i lose priority)

I really want to use The Witchking of Angmar, The Dark Marshall, Gothmog and the Troll Chieftan so they will stay. The other 2 wraiths will not be used. I don't have the fell beast model yet.

Not enough points left to give the Uruk-hai shields, so they will lurk behind my army for bow protection (S3 warriors still need 5/6 in a fight)

Do you think I should use another Orc Captain instead of the shaman or not?

Thanks
Author:  DaDarkMarshal [ Sun Jul 08, 2012 12:13 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 1500pt Mordor Force
tlotrsbg wrote:
what community are getting to have great games like this with ? .. I feel like the only lotr player in hertfordshire :/


I play with my brother and some of my cousins :-D
Author:  SuicidalMarsbar [ Sun Jul 08, 2012 7:00 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 1500pt Mordor Force
You have enough captains, a shaman is practically a necessity to make the most of those big numbers :)
Author:  DaDarkMarshal [ Sun Jul 08, 2012 10:30 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 1500pt Mordor Force
SuicidalMarsbar wrote:
You have enough captains, a shaman is practically a necessity to make the most of those big numbers :)


The Shaman will stay then. Anything else that my army might need? What are its weakness and strengths?
Author:  SuicidalMarsbar [ Sun Jul 08, 2012 11:50 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 1500pt Mordor Force
Well, in my opinion, the witch king needs to be swapped with the undying. You have 3 spellcasters for him to leech off, witch king will not last as long :/ A horse for the mouth of sauron will also be handy. You also have alot of banners. I'd say only 1-2 are neccessary, and with the points gained you might be able to squeeze in another wraith.
Author:  GothmogtheWerewolf [ Sun Jul 08, 2012 12:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 1500pt Mordor Force
I agree with marsbar, too many banners for sure. In fact because you have he dark Marshal you don't really need any, maybe one, depending o how far spread you army is whhen deployed. The Undying is a good one too, though BlackMist (a spoil-sport at times due to his tournament ways) says the Undying can even suurvuve well without other spellcasters, but since you are at 1,500pts I wouldn't go that far.

You could keep the Witch-king if you really wanted to, but only if he has an armoured horse and the Crown of Morgul, especially the latter.
Author:  DaDarkMarshal [ Sun Jul 08, 2012 10:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 1500pt Mordor Force
Crown of Morgal? Armoured horse? I really need the new source book.
I've always liked the undying (no more death from fluke shots) so I will try to get him.
Right now I need to find out what that crown of morgal does.
Author:  SidTheSloth [ Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:34 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 1500pt Mordor Force
why not download this? it shows you all the stats and options for free :D
theres a 'try it now' button on the page and it gives you a test version (the same as the proper one but with limited updates)
heres a link:
http://www.wolflair.com/index.php?context=army_builder
it helped me alot :-D
Author:  GothmogtheWerewolf [ Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:22 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 1500pt Mordor Force
I don't believe that those army builder thingies tell you what the special rules do though.

The Crown of Morgul triples the W-K's attacks.

Also, all Wraiths have options for armoured horses as well as as normal ones, and Fell Beasts, armoured Fell Beasts and horned Fell Beasts.
Author:  SidTheSloth [ Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:25 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 1500pt Mordor Force
aparently this one does :D
so far its been really helpful to me as i dont have the new books
Author:  DaDarkMarshal [ Tue Jul 10, 2012 4:12 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 1500pt Mordor Force
Ok, so I used army builder and found the things I needed (even helped me with making a new gondor force)


Warband 1
Witch King of Angmar w/crown of morgul, morgal blade and flail
12 Mordor Uruk-hai
291pts

Warband 2
Gothmog
Orc Banner Bearer
11 Orc Warriors
231pts

Warband 3
The Dark Marshal on steed
5 Morgal Knights
230pts

Warband 4
The Mouth of Sauron
12 Black Numenorean Warriors
180pts

Warband 5
Orc Captain
12 Orc Warriors
117pts

Warband 6
Orc Captain
12 Orc Warriors
117pts

Warband 7
Orc Shaman
12 Orc Warriors
122pts

Warband 8
Mordor Troll Chieftan
12 Orc Warriors
212pts

Total 1500pts (exactly :-D )

I could remove the darkmarshal's horse and the witch king's flail so I can give the witchking the armoured horse and let the witchking lead the knights and the darkmarshal lead the orcs instead. Let me know if there is anything else that could be changed.

I thank you all for you help :D
Author:  SuicidalMarsbar [ Tue Jul 10, 2012 9:06 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 1500pt Mordor Force
Get rid of the banner to give witch king horse, wraiths should always be mounted. You could get more orcs/another morgue knight with tue saved points :)
Author:  DaDarkMarshal [ Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 1500pt Mordor Force
SuicidalMarsbar wrote:
Get rid of the banner to give witch king horse, wraiths should always be mounted. You could get more orcs/another morgue knight with tue saved points :)


New list
Warband 1
Witch King of Angmar w/crown of morgul, morgal blade and armoured dark steed
12 Mordor Uruk-hai
301pts

Warband 2
Gothmog
12 Orc Warriors
207pts

Warband 3
The Dark Marshal on steed
5 Morgal Knights
235pts

Warband 4
The Mouth of Sauron
12 Black Numenorean Warriors
180pts

Warband 5
Orc Captain
12 Orc Warriors
119pts

Warband 6
Orc Captain
12 Orc Warriors
119pts

Warband 7
Orc Shaman
12 Orc Warriors
124pts

Warband 8
Mordor Troll Chieftan
12 Orc Warriors
214pts

TOTAL: 1499

Ok, Witch King now has an armoured horse and no flail. I will also give the 8 2h weapon orcs a bow (so now i can volley if needed) and some armour on the dark marshals horse

Thanks all again :-D
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