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Guys I am just helping a mate get into the game, who has taken an interest in Rohan... the only problem we have is that, as one would predict, he likes to focus on taking a majority cavalry force (Riders of Rohan), he then immediately falls foul of the 33% bow limit as all RoR come equipped with bows by default...
So to make a legal list... he can only take a third of his force as Riders of Rohan, and the rest have to be foot warriors of Rohan with sword/spear & shield...

This just seems wrong for this force!
Are we missing something??

Cheers
Scott
PS latest battle report:
http://www.scottswargaming.blogspot.co.nz/2012/12/the-high-ground-lotr-sbg-battlereport.html

To be honest I don't know why they don't just scrap the bow limit...

jscottbowman wrote:

To be honest I don't know why they don't just scrap the bow limit...

Anything but that :shock:

warbands makes bows less potent, but an army of rangers would still annihilate the opposition.

I see your point, but its still darn frustrating that after all these years the game has been out they haven't sorted this 'glitch' with Rohan.

The Easterlings can now have a 50% bow limit, all Spider Queens are Indie heros, Gil-Galad can take an armored horse, and Thranduil is definitely the most overpowered hero ever. Aura of Dismay is infinite AND he can Channel it.

Aura of Dismay is infinite AND he can Channel it.

Oh ya, and Rivendell Knights can have 100% bows. Ug.

Oh, you need to look at the FAQ for The Hobbit rulebook.

Author:	jscottbowman [ Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:56 pm ]
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Guys I am just helping a mate get into the game, who has taken an interest in Rohan... the only problem we have is that, as one would predict, he likes to focus on taking a majority cavalry force (Riders of Rohan), he then immediately falls foul of the 33% bow limit as all RoR come equipped with bows by default... So to make a legal list... he can only take a third of his force as Riders of Rohan, and the rest have to be foot warriors of Rohan with sword/spear & shield... This just seems wrong for this force! Are we missing something?? Cheers Scott PS latest battle report: http://www.scottswargaming.blogspot.co.nz/2012/12/the-high-ground-lotr-sbg-battlereport.html

Author:	Zogash [ Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:28 pm ]
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jscottbowman wrote: Guys I am just helping a mate get into the game, who has taken an interest in Rohan... the only problem we have is that, as one would predict, he likes to focus on taking a majority cavalry force (Riders of Rohan), he then immediately falls foul of the 33% bow limit as all RoR come equipped with bows by default... So to make a legal list... he can only take a third of his force as Riders of Rohan, and the rest have to be foot warriors of Rohan with sword/spear & shield... This just seems wrong for this force! Are we missing something?? Cheers Scott PS latest battle report: http://www.scottswargaming.blogspot.co.nz/2012/12/the-high-ground-lotr-sbg-battlereport.html Unfortunately, no, you're not missing anything. It's one of the things GW screwed up a loooong time ago and still hasn't fixed (they're actually repeating it right now with Rivendell Knights, who also come with a bow standard and are in a list of their own!). Some years ago (I think it was in '03), when GW first released their tournament rules, they adressed this issue, though instead of just making the bow optional and dropping the base cost - as is normal with pretty much every other unit - they decided that while all Riders pay for the bow, only those models actually holding one may use it. I'm not entirely certain this ruling still stands, but I assume so. It is a waste of points for two thirds of the Riders, though... :/ One alternative to have an all-mounted force is to use mounted Royal Guards to fill up the numbers - the models are blething expensive, but they are superior to RoR in every respect (higher F, higher D, Bodyguard) - and I think most (non-tourney) opponents wouldn't mind differently-coloured RoR as RRG stand-ins.

Author:	John Wayne [ Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:52 pm ]
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He could mingle in mounted Royal guard but definately has to have some infantry to even out his troop numbers.

Author:	jscottbowman [ Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:58 pm ]
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Jeez you'd think they could have sorted it out by now! Well I think I will advise my mate in the meantime, he can sort his force as he wishes still requiring 33% bow limit, but for those riders who lose their bow, deduct 1point from the cost of that trooper. That just seems logical. To be honest I don't know why they don't just scrap the bow limit... Some forces clearly used these weapons predominantly; RoR, Rangers, Elves etc etc, so they should be able to put forward an appropriate force as themed and intended... and run the risk of being overwhelmed by combat troops, as is certainly the case now with the much closer deployment restrictions from 'Warbands'. It would be their choice then...

Author:	whafrog [ Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:02 pm ]
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jscottbowman wrote: To be honest I don't know why they don't just scrap the bow limit... Anything but that warbands makes bows less potent, but an army of rangers would still annihilate the opposition.

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Author:	jscottbowman [ Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:25 pm ]
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whafrog wrote: jscottbowman wrote: To be honest I don't know why they don't just scrap the bow limit... Anything but that warbands makes bows less potent, but an army of rangers would still annihilate the opposition. I see your point, but its still darn frustrating that after all these years the game has been out they haven't sorted this 'glitch' with Rohan. Simply making the bow a pointed for addition would seamlessly fix the issue... You'd think they would have put it out in the FAQ or errata with the new warbands books or simply get it right first time around in the Warband books. They must have been aware of this issue for years now!?

Author:	WhoelsebutHaldir [ Tue Dec 04, 2012 12:27 am ]
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Never mind an all bow rangers force, what about an all now elf force! It would bring a tear to my eye.....

Author:	whafrog [ Tue Dec 04, 2012 1:23 am ]
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jscottbowman wrote: I see your point, but its still darn frustrating that after all these years the game has been out they haven't sorted this 'glitch' with Rohan. Agreed, I can't say I really understand it, but then again they do put a strong emphasis on WYSIWYG, and all the RoR models have bows, on their backs if they aren't shooting. The alternatives for them are to either make certain exceptions for WYSIWYG, or create new models...and I can't see them investing a bunch of money in that now that pretty much everyone who wants Rohan has them.

Author:	jscottbowman [ Tue Dec 04, 2012 2:45 am ]
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I agree all the RoR models have the bow, and so they should, from reading the book and reading about how this force fought, they should do... but then how would you field Eomer's Eored as the 'three hunters' encounter them... without falling foul of the bow limit? Same would go for rangers (- what ranger wouldnt carry a bow?), and if so, how do you depict a force of Rangers of Ithilien, without the same problem occurring??? I agree its a meta game / playability issue , I'm just not comfortable with the situation... and how to sensibly resolve it.

Author:	Draugluin [ Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:29 am ]
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http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_Cus ... MBER12.pdf The RoR glitch is fixed! RoR don't count towards your bow limit! You can now have a completely mounted RoR force, and every one of them can use their bows!

Author:	jscottbowman [ Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:37 am ]
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WOW! Thanks for that My mate will be pleased! I'll have to go look at the other factions updates...

Author:	Draugluin [ Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:42 am ]
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The Easterlings can now have a 50% bow limit, all Spider Queens are Indie heros, Gil-Galad can take an armored horse, and Thranduil is definitely the most overpowered hero ever. Aura of Dismay is infinite AND he can Channel it.

Author:	jscottbowman [ Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:48 am ]
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Draugluin wrote: The Easterlings can now have a 50% bow limit, all Spider Queens are Indie heros, Gil-Galad can take an armored horse, and Thranduil is definitely the most overpowered hero ever. Aura of Dismay is infinite AND he can Channel it. We certainly live in interesting times!

Author:	Draugluin [ Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:53 am ]
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Oh ya, and Rivendell Knights can have 100% bows. Ug.

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Author:	whafrog [ Tue Dec 04, 2012 4:35 am ]
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Draugluin wrote: Aura of Dismay is infinite AND he can Channel it. Not quite, only until he runs out of Will.

Author:	Draugluin [ Tue Dec 04, 2012 4:45 am ]
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True, but that requires him to run out of will.

Author:	jscottbowman [ Tue Dec 04, 2012 5:33 am ]
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Draugluin wrote: Oh ya, and Rivendell Knights can have 100% bows. Ug. Cant see this in the errata - can you link to it please?

Author:	Draugluin [ Tue Dec 04, 2012 5:39 am ]
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Oh, you need to look at the FAQ for The Hobbit rulebook.

Author:	jscottbowman [ Tue Dec 04, 2012 6:28 am ]
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Draugluin wrote: Oh, you need to look at the FAQ for The Hobbit rulebook. Ah ha spotted it, thanks.