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Author:  willc684 [ Mon Nov 11, 2013 5:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Isengard, What Next?

My army currently consists of:

http://willc684.tumblr.com/

Saruman
Lurtz
Shaman
1 Captain
1 Banner bearer
2 Isengard Trolls
15 Beserkers
25 Uruk-hai W/ Sword and Shield
30 Uruk-hai W/ Pike
12 Uruk-hai Demo team
9 Orc Archers

What i'd like to know is a good 500, 750 and 100 point army using just Isengard (or as much as possible) with what i have or what else i'm missing. thanks a lot for any replies in advance

Author:  SteveVenezia [ Tue Nov 12, 2013 10:36 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Isengard, What Next?

Well you're missing the two best Isenguard heroes, Mauhur and Vrasku. Maurhur & some Marauders are a powerful flanking force while Vrasku is one of the better snipers in the game. I would also strongly recommend Wormtongue if you're taking Saruman as he counters the heavy hitters you'll intevitably be facing - and be sure to put them both on horsies. I would also grab some Warg Riders as mobility is huge in this game - Sharku is a good leader for them but not required like Mauhur or Vrasku.

Having said that you have a lot of cool minis. I'd play on using the 2 trolls to cause havoc, so something like this:

500
-Captain (Shield, Heavy Armour)
-Beserkers x5
-Isenguard Troll

-Shaman (Armour)
-Warriors x10 (5 Shields, 5 Pikes)
-Isenguard Troll

750
-Saruman (Horse)

-Captain (Shield, Heavy Armour)
-Beserkers x9
-Isenguard Troll

-Shaman (Armour)
-Warriors x11 (5 Shields, 6 Pikes)
-Isenguard Troll

1000
-Saruman (Horse)
-Beserkers x2
-Isenguard Troll

-Captain (Shield, Heavy Armour)
-Beserkers x11
-Isenguard Troll

-Shaman (Armour)
-Warriors x12 (6 Shields, 6 Pikes)

-Lurtz
-Warriors x12 (6 Shields, 6 Pikes)

Author:  willc684 [ Tue Nov 12, 2013 11:15 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Isengard, What Next?

Thanks a lot I'll definately be getting vrasku and mauhir on my next visit!

Author:  -Bolg- [ Tue Nov 12, 2013 2:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Isengard, What Next?

these aren't good army lists, they are bad in my opinion,

750 points for example i should take:

vrasku
10 x-bow man (you can convert them if you want)

mahaur
12 marauders+ schild (scouts)

shaman+armour (or just a captain, or ugluk, the one witch cuts of a orc head, witch i think is really awsome)
5 berserkers
7 uruk hai pikeman

captain armour and shield
4 berserkers
2 uruk hai shieldman
6 uruk hai pikeman

with uruks you must take many man and berserkers, (and x-bows)
and strong but cheap heroes like mahaur and vrasku.

Lucas

Author:  RefluentMonk [ Tue Nov 12, 2013 3:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Isengard, What Next?

I think you are missing some Feral Uruk-Hai , they can seriously do some damage and at lower cost than berzerkers they are a nice addition.

Author:  whafrog [ Tue Nov 12, 2013 4:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Isengard, What Next?

Yes, Vrasku and some xbows are essential additions. I'm more of a numbers guy, so I wouldn't take 2 trolls + Saruman, it really eats into your troop count, unless you're above 1000 points (say 1500).

Author:  -Bolg- [ Tue Nov 12, 2013 4:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Isengard, What Next?

@redmonk:

ferals arw 2 points less then berserkers, but D6 is definitly worth that for your elite warrior.

Lucas

Author:  Dr Grant [ Tue Nov 12, 2013 5:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Isengard, What Next?

You've got lots of fun stuff to play with there and a Helm's Deep style Uruk Phalanx is a very cool looking army. However, you're missing the two best Isengard unit types in the game: Feral Uruk Hai and Crossbowmen, they are absolute game winners.

Don't get me wrong, the models you have will be more than competitive and Isengard can make a whole range of really solid armies but if you're looking to make a really effective and terrifying force then Ferals and crossbowmen are absolute game winners.

As others have said you're also lacking a few key named characters, Vrasku, Grima and Mauhur (in that order IMO) are all great choices for an Isengard list:

I can't remember exact points but something like this is an incredibly effective 750 list:

Saruman on horse and Grima
2 Beserkers
5 Ferals

Lurtz
7 ferals

Armoured Shaman
7 ferals

Vrasku
11 Crossbowmen

This list wouldn't be most people's first choice but I promise you it will beat the vast majority of armies out there. I entered it into two tournaments in the GBHL this year so was facing some of the the cheesiest and nastiest builds out there and it managed to win 1 tourney and come 2nd in another losing 1 out of 12 games in the process.

Feral Uruk hai are point for point the best troops in the game. I may have said this before :-)

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