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250pt Mordor Skirmish assist.
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Author:  KilljoyPowerhead [ Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:21 am ]
Post subject:  250pt Mordor Skirmish assist.
Still new to creating armies, and I'm setting up for a small skirmish, just after some opinions on this small 250pt force.

- Shagrat, War Leader of Cirith Ungol;
- 10 Orc Warrior with Shield;
- 2 Morgul Knight
- 1 Morgul Knight with War horn;

We've agreed that BF will be in play, hence the warhorn... Might help a little... Haha
Author:  Valadorn [ Mon Apr 07, 2014 1:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 250pt Mordor Skirmish assist.
To begin with, if you are using latest rules then you cant have more than 12 models in a single warband. And the second warband if you move your last model there must have hero.
My main concern is that you bring an expensive leader that causes you to form only 1 warband in a 250 pts mordor list.
You include only shield bearers so you cant form a spearblock. Those spearblock especially in low points are nasty!
The horn you use, atm gives you +1 courage in 14(13) models. It does not deserve its cost. Increase number so that break point increases too dont help the enemy break you easily.
Author:  NarsilReforged [ Mon Apr 07, 2014 1:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 250pt Mordor Skirmish assist.
You could either spam out orbs and some elites in two warbands or use all mounted or mosters.
Option 1 eg.
W1
Ringwraith
4 orcs w shield
4 orc s w spear
4 orc trackers

W2
Black guard captain or shagrat
4 orcs w shield
4 orcs w spear
4 orc trackers

Option 2
W1
Black numenorean marshal w armoured horse, shield, lance
8 morgul knight

Option 3
W1
Dark marshal
5 black numenoreans
6 orcs w spear
1 mordor troll
Author:  KilljoyPowerhead [ Mon Apr 07, 2014 2:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 250pt Mordor Skirmish assist.
Yeeaahhh... Guess I really didn't put much thought into this.
I'm going up against elves (including Gil-Galad), and men (Possbily Aragorn), so I was thinking Shagrat with his knockdown could help out there...

I'll revisit and try again.

Thanks for the suggestions!
Author:  LordoftheBrownRing [ Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 250pt Mordor Skirmish assist.
Dude if youre going up against those giant heros take a ton of troops, kill of all the forces around them, break them, and you win like every game....
Author:  JamesR [ Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 250pt Mordor Skirmish assist.
Your initial list isnt bad, you should just remove the Morgul Knights and horn. Simply replace all the Orcs with Moranons or Uruks (maybe even Black Guard), or a mix of the these and you'd have a very effective and elite force, fully capable of crushing Elves, Men and whomever else got in your way at the points level
Author:  Lord Hurin [ Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 250pt Mordor Skirmish assist.
If they have high-powered Heroes like that at 250pts, their army will be small. I'd advise taking a Nazgul and then maxing out of troops as much as possible. Say:

Warband 1 - 128pts
Nazgul (0/7/1)
4 Morannon Orcs with shield
4 Morannon Orcs with spear and shield

Warband 2 - 122pts
Gorbag with shield
5 Orcs with shield
7 Orcs with spear

That's 250 points on the dot and will certainly outnumber your foes by a good margin.
Author:  KilljoyPowerhead [ Tue Apr 08, 2014 1:56 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 250pt Mordor Skirmish assist.
Lord Hurin wrote:
If they have high-powered Heroes like that at 250pts, their army will be small. I'd advise taking a Nazgul and then maxing out of troops as much as possible. Say:

Warband 1 - 128pts
Nazgul (0/7/1)
4 Morannon Orcs with shield
4 Morannon Orcs with spear and shield

Warband 2 - 122pts
Gorbag with shield
5 Orcs with shield
7 Orcs with spear

That's 250 points on the dot and will certainly outnumber your foes by a good margin.


Thanks for the suggestions, people. Still feel like there's a lot for me to learn. Lord Hurin, if you don't mind, I might adapt your provided list slightly -

Warband 1 8/12
Ringwraith (1) with 1 Extra Fate;
4 Morannon Orc with Shield;
4 Morannon Orc with Spear;

Warband 2 11/12
Captain of the Black Guard
5 Orc Warrior with Shield;
6 Orc Warrior with Spear;

It's sits on 250 exactly, and I can definitely see the advantage of the RW w/ drain courage and transfix, and the BG Cap having the courage boost because of the RW.

Again, thoughts? :P
Author:  Galanur [ Tue Apr 08, 2014 3:12 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 250pt Mordor Skirmish assist.
bahh he can get better... how?

attempt 1

warband 1
Nazgul (2/9/1)
5 orcs with shield
5 orcs with spear

warband 2
Gorbag
4 orcs with shield

warband 3
Castellan of Dol guldur

249pts
might: 5
models: 17

if you want alternative
try

attempt 2

warband 1
Nazgul (2/9/1)
5 black numenorians

Warband 2
Gorbag
4 black numenorians

warband 3
Castellan of Dol guldur

models: 12
might: 5

all fear cause army, who dont like it?
I can assure you goblins will have massive problems with this attempt 2(fear army) since generally they rellie on courage 1 (captains at 2) if they toss shaman, drain out his will and no more fury, or shoot him with a black dart and watch him die lol
you can replace gorbag for another castellan with morgul blade...


Peeps keep forgetting how usefull castellans are for so small games, its a 12 fate model regardless what you say so it can stick in a fight for very long and in small games like this, its very relevant that. Also there not bad fighters at all :)

1 castellan can hold gil galad easily for a couple turns no sweat while you kill his other stuff out :P
Author:  Valadorn [ Tue Apr 08, 2014 10:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 250pt Mordor Skirmish assist.
Galanur wrote:
bahh he can get better... how?


attempt 2

warband 1
Nazgul (2/9/1)
5 black numenorians

Warband 2
Gorbag
4 black numenorians

warband 3
Castellan of Dol guldur

models: 12
might: 5



This is real nice!
Worst chances only against an elf army i suppose.
Author:  Galanur [ Tue Apr 08, 2014 11:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 250pt Mordor Skirmish assist.
their courage is at 4, heroes at 5 with that nazgul out, and you can even decrease their courage by nazgul spam courage drains :P
Author:  Valadorn [ Wed Apr 09, 2014 10:54 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 250pt Mordor Skirmish assist.
Galanur wrote:
their courage is at 4, heroes at 5 with that nazgul out, and you can even decrease their courage by nazgul spam courage drains :P


They will focus on the nazgul. Thay will not probably care if you pick the targets cause you are not outnumbering em :P

But in any way you still have great chances to win,I told you this is a wining list :yay:
Author:  KilljoyPowerhead [ Wed Apr 09, 2014 11:00 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 250pt Mordor Skirmish assist.
Great suggestions!
Thanks for the help, guys! :)
Author:  KilljoyPowerhead [ Sun Apr 13, 2014 2:10 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 250pt Mordor Skirmish assist.
Final list I went with -

-------- 250pts ---------

Ringwraith (1) with 2 Extra Might; 3 Extra Will; 2 Extra Fate;
4 Orc Warrior with Shield;
3 Orc Warrior with Spear;

Warband 2 12/12
Orc Captain with Shield;
6 Orc Warrior with Shield;
6 Orc Warrior with Spear;

Won 3/3 games. One against men, one dwarves and a moria swarm.
Author:  Valadorn [ Sun Apr 13, 2014 10:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 250pt Mordor Skirmish assist.
Nicely done!

Also, maybe you could drop 1 orc with shield to get some morannons instead of simple orcs. In case opponent has hihh defence units. Just in case ;)
Author:  KilljoyPowerhead [ Tue Apr 15, 2014 7:04 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 250pt Mordor Skirmish assist.
Good idea. I do want some morannons.

RW did a lot of the worthwhile work - In one game I reduced Isildurs courage to 1, and once my orcs broke his force, he ran ;)
Cheap tactic, but it worked!

I only have a limited amount of mordor units available to me atm thanks to limited funds (yay for university!), so a lot of the lists you suggested while awesome, are out of my financial reach...
HOWEVER! I have taken note, and come a spare bit of rare cash, I'll build it up.

Got a fairly decent Isengard list... ~ 3000pts worth, I believe... so I might even sell some of them off to buy some mordor units to get a bit of variety.
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