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Author:  Docccy [ Sat Jan 03, 2015 1:08 am ]
Post subject:  600 point Mordor

Hey friends!

I've got a 600 point tournament coming up soon, and am struggling to work out an effective list for. After many changes so far, I'm at this point:

Warband 1:
- The Undying
- 5 Black Numenoreans
- 5 Morannon orcs w/ shield + spear
- 1 Morannon orc w/shield + banner

Warband 2:
- Shagrat, Captain of Cirith Ungol
- 5 Black Numenoreans
- 5 Morannon orcs w/ spear + shield
- 1 orc w/ shield
- 1 spectre

Warband 3:
- Grishnakh w/ shield
- 2 Black Numernoreans
- 5 Morannon orcs w/ shield
- 3 Morannon orcs w/spear + shield
- 1 spectre

Warband 4:
- 1 Castellan of Dol Guldur w/ Morgul blade


NOTES:
I've done heaps of tweaking back and forth with this list, I really wanted to run at least one troll, but in 600 points, I just can't warrant it.
I'm not 100% sure about the banner, considering I can fill up my warbands with more bodies instead.
I like the idea of the Castellan with morgul blade to take down enemy trolls and other various monsters, however again, these points could be used to bulk up warbands or take Gorbag for another 3 points of might.

Any thoughts and feedback would be awesome :)

Author:  Asamu [ Sun Jan 04, 2015 1:23 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 600 point Mordor

Keep the banner. It can be really useful for the black numenorean/Morannon orc wall; effectively increasing the attacks of a few models by 1 for winning the fight can be huge, especially vs armies with higher fight, such as Elves.
Drop the regular orc to give Shagrat a shield and for an extra spear on the Morannon orcs in the third warband.

You could drop the Castellan for 2 Morgul knights (or 3 warg riders and 1 more spear) to the third warband. This would give you some knock down for double strikes, and, in the case of Morgul Knights, a bit of extra punch vs D7 Dwarves/fountain court guard.

Alternatively, swapping Grishnakh and 1 spectre for a taskmaster isn't bad. It gives you an average of ~5 additional might if you only use might for heroic actions within 6" of the taskmaster and protect him. (7*.5+(7*.25)+(7*.125)... = ~6.5 - 1 for the reduced base might).

Granted, that is the ideal case of you only using might for heroic actions within 6" of the taskmaster. It's more likely to get ~3 extra might off of the task master rule, assuming you use some of the might for things other than heroic actions.

If you decide to do those things, the list would end up looking something like:

Undying (leader)
5xBlack Numenoreans
5xMorannon Orcs
1xmorannon orc w/banner/shield

Shagrat(captain) w/shield or Black Guard Captain (D6 C4with 3M vs D7 C6 2M)
5x Black Numenoreans
5x Morannon Orcs w/shield+spear

Taskmaster or Grishnakh (shield optional)
2x Black Numenoreans
4x Morannon Orcs w/shield+spear
4x Morannon Orcs w/shield

60-75 additional points of whatever you choose.
ex: Castellan w/morgul blade+spectre; 4x spectres; 3x morgul knights; 3xWarg riders w/shields + spectre and orc w/spear; 4x warg riders w/ shield +morannon orc w/shield, etc...

Author:  Rozinante [ Sun Jan 04, 2015 5:34 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 600 point Mordor

Undying is great if you must have an unkillable leader...otherwise he's only a spellcaster on steriods (IMO). Witch King on Fell Beast (with 3/2/1) costs only 30 points more for an extra Might, adequate Will for spells, anti-wizard, and that Monster that will come in so handy at this points level. Banners have never paid off their points for me. May I suggest:

WitchKing on Fell (3/2/1)
6 BN
6 Moranon Spears

Grishnack
6 BN
5 Orc Spears
1 Spectre

Taskmaster
6 BN
6 Orc Spears

Castillian with Morgal Blade

Author:  jwhite [ Mon Jan 05, 2015 4:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 600 point Mordor

the list looks great only thing i would change is the undying, eather put him on a felbeast or switch him to the knight of umbar, otherwise the list looks strong

Author:  LordoftheBrownRing [ Sat Jan 10, 2015 11:21 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 600 point Mordor

Id advise to go for the witch king instead and drop the banner.

If you cam somehow fit him, use the super cracked out Shagrat thats buff.

Hes a monster and cuts through even dwarves like butter if you use him right.

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