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Author:  Legolas31 [ Mon Jun 20, 2011 10:42 am ]
Post subject:  Sap Will and Your staff is broken
If a wizard gains +1 will each turn, if he has sap will used against him does he lose all the will he has e.g. 6 and then gain his +1 each turn still or would he have 0 will for the remainder of the battle?

Also... can 'your staff is broken' be resisted by use of will ?

Thanks x
Author:  Sir Richard [ Mon Jun 20, 2011 12:19 pm ]
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sap will only takes off 1 will at a time, I believe, and all magical powers can be resisted by will.
Author:  Jobu [ Mon Jun 20, 2011 12:57 pm ]
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Not quite, sap will removes all the characters will. It may be resisted with will as all spells may be ( if the target has will ).
Also a note that the wizards staff simply allows the use of 1 free will per turn, it does not accumulate over several turns.
Author:  whafrog [ Mon Jun 20, 2011 4:38 pm ]
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Jobu wrote:
Also a note that the wizards staff simply allows the use of 1 free will per turn, it does accumulate over several turns.


Did you mean it "doesn't"?
Author:  Jobu [ Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:00 pm ]
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whafrog wrote:
Jobu wrote:
Also a note that the wizards staff simply allows the use of 1 free will per turn, it does accumulate over several turns.


Did you mean it "doesn't"?

That is what I meant, I will edit it...thanks :)
Author:  Legolas31 [ Fri Jun 24, 2011 5:23 pm ]
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ok, that should solve the problem, thanks
Author:  TheGoblinTacticus [ Tue Jul 12, 2011 10:14 am ]
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Sap will removes all the will of the character, and indeed, the staff does not give you +1 will, but only gives you the ability to use 1 free will per turn.
By the way, you could kill any nazgûl using sap will right?
Author:  Mor-galad of Greenwood [ Wed Jul 13, 2011 2:50 am ]
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TheGoblinTacticus wrote:
Sap will removes all the will of the character, and indeed, the staff does not give you +1 will, but only gives you the ability to use 1 free will per turn.
By the way, you could kill any nazgûl using sap will right?

That is my understanding of the rules. Incidentally, it would also have the same effect on Castellans of Dol Guldur and The Necromancer. Good bye 250 points!
Author:  TheGoblinTacticus [ Thu Jul 14, 2011 6:59 pm ]
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Yes, ringwraith vs ringwraith......
Author:  Sacrilege83 [ Fri Jul 10, 2015 2:12 pm ]
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Jobu wrote:
Not quite, sap will removes all the characters will. It may be resisted with will as all spells may be ( if the target has will ).

That's funny, Sap Will auto reduces Will to 0 but the victim can still use his Will store to defend against it? How do they run the ruling of this spell in tourneys, it can still be resisted? I would think it can only be resisted by the free point from Staff of Power, otherwise Ringwraiths/Castellans can still resist the spell.
Author:  SouthernDunedain [ Fri Jul 10, 2015 3:11 pm ]
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Remember the spell effect doesnt take effect until the model has had a chance to resist. The spell is already incredibly overpowered, if wraiths couldnt resist it it would be broken.
Author:  Sacrilege83 [ Fri Jul 10, 2015 3:24 pm ]
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^Thank you for the reply, I guess this is a universal agreement in the gaming community.
Author:  Dikey [ Wed Jul 15, 2015 5:36 pm ]
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TheGoblinTacticus wrote:
Sap will removes all the will of the character, and indeed, the staff does not give you +1 will, but only gives you the ability to use 1 free will per turn.
By the way, you could kill any nazgûl using sap will right?


Sap Will reduces the will by 1+D3 (2 to 4), unless is channeled. Against most models, the simple spell is more than enough.
If a Nazgul fails to resist sap will is dead.

Quote:
That's funny, Sap Will auto reduces Will to 0 but the victim can still use his Will store to defend against it? How do they run the ruling of this spell in tourneys, it can still be resisted? I would think it can only be resisted by the free point from Staff of Power, otherwise Ringwraiths/Castellans can still resist the spell.


Is a spell. It can be resisted like any other spell. First the spell is cast, then the target tries to resist and if he fails, the effect kicks in.
Author:  Coenus Scaldingus [ Wed Jul 15, 2015 6:07 pm ]
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Dikey wrote:
TheGoblinTacticus wrote:
Sap will removes all the will of the character, and indeed, the staff does not give you +1 will, but only gives you the ability to use 1 free will per turn.
By the way, you could kill any nazgûl using sap will right?

Sap Will reduces the will by 1+D3 (2 to 4), unless is channeled. Against most models, the simple spell is more than enough.

This thread is 4 years old. Back then, all Will was Sapped (horrible, horrible times.. although the new version often is effectively identical). Wraith vs Wraith was like a Wild West movie, all about who shot first...
(A residu of the original design of the game, where the only normal match-up was Good vs Evil. Only Evil models have Sap Will, while no Good models rely on Will to survive.
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