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Lurtz houserule profile, how he should have been
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Author:  Galanur [ Thu Aug 29, 2013 6:02 pm ]
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Saruman´s desire the One Ring, to this purpose he only trusted such task to the best of his generals knowing well what perils would have waited. It was to Lurtz, first of the breed of mighty uruk hai that he gave the orders to retrive the ring. Lurtz, the mightiest of Saruman´s general is a brutal and cunning leader, hes a tireless warrior that will see no end to pause or questioning until his master´s orders are completed.


Lurtz, first of the fighting Uruk hai......90pts
..F....S..D..W..A..Ld...M/W/F
5/3+.5...5...3..3...5....3..3..1

Gear: hand weapon(sword) armour, shield and orc bow

Shield brawler:
As part of his brute discipline over his followers, Lurtz makes sure every tool of war is used, even means that are used for defence
can be as well turned into offence.
Lurtz can opt to shield bash the oponent rather than fighting normally.
At the start of the fight phase, you can choose Lurtz to perform this special attack, this attack will reduce his attacks by 1
but if Lurtz wins the fight the enemy is counted as trapped and will be knock back in the ground like if Lurtz has been treaten as cavalry for the effect.
If Lurtz loses the combat he loses 1 point of defence (as for luck, the oponent managed to disarm the shield off him
making Lurtz taking some time to pick it up). Note that in multiple combat versus multiple oponents you can only choose 1 model to be
as the target of his shield brawler special rule and only that model will suffer knocked out and trapped.
Models with strength 6 or higher are immune to this attack.

deadly aim!
Unlike most uruk scout bowmens, Lurtz has showed unnatural resilience and precision with his bow even on the move, always finding his mark on Boromir´s broken body.
Lurtz adds +1 to wound on his shooting roll.
What you guys think about him?
Author:  Bilbo [ Thu Aug 29, 2013 7:35 pm ]
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The profile is pretty spot on, but I would like to see a special rule that is unique in the same way as the other Uruk captains, and does not replicate a special rule else where.

Perhaps a ferocity rule allowing him to call a heroic fight for free against enemy heroes, and gets to move and fight against the same heroe again as long as he scores at least one wound, but has to attach said heroe again if still alive.

Also I like the idea of using expending his shield in a one off attack which effectively paralyses the enemy, like the film with his duel against Aragorn.
Author:  LordElrond [ Thu Aug 29, 2013 8:14 pm ]
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Or he could have the "Hero of Legend" Special Rule, like Eorl, or a rule where he can spend a point of might to double the amount of wounds he causes, or something else that makes him insanely powerful, but just for 1 turn?
Author:  Galanur [ Thu Aug 29, 2013 9:50 pm ]
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Bilbo idea seems pretty much true, he uses any means or gear he got to fight, good tip there mate.
Also very interesting from your part LordElrond, giving him unique skills to make him insanely powerfull, although he is powerfull the way it is, hardly good armies have to fight something with such high fight value, other than 250pts + models and mostly are monsters, having an uruk with a fight value around 6 makes him pretty much deadly already along with his 1 re-roll to hit... all this combined with strength 5, as long you roll well hes a beast in battle.

Lets try to implement something...
Author:  johnny189 [ Thu Aug 29, 2013 11:06 pm ]
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For 130 points he seems a bit weak, defence 5 is less than a normal uruk-hai warrior.
Author:  Galanur [ Fri Aug 30, 2013 12:04 am ]
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Hes quite a brute in close combat but remember hes basically an uruk scout with steroids :P
Author:  JamesR [ Fri Aug 30, 2013 4:41 am ]
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I like the profile, i would actually give 1 more might (after WOTR came out it just seems right for him to have 4 might) and hero bane should only apply against heroes. Also I'd reduce his fight to 5 only because he couldn't go toe to toe w Aragorn
Author:  LordElrond [ Fri Aug 30, 2013 6:33 am ]
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JamesR wrote:
Also I'd reduce his fight to 5 only because he couldn't go toe to toe w Aragorn


But he did :)
Author:  Galanur [ Fri Aug 30, 2013 11:18 am ]
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As I record Lurtz gave a heck of a beating to aragorn from punches to headbut, even made him bleed from the mouth, in the end aragorn use the remain strength to kill him with a flurry of blows, but surely aragorn wouldn´t be that tired if he was minor to fight with, Lurtz was actually a challenge.
Even Lurtz had fun in the fight by licking aragorn´s knife full of his own blood, so its really not casual :P was a luck move that got him there that made aragorn get the upper hand and inflict several wounds cutting off Lurtz arm along with it.
Try this fella vs aragorn and you really get a very close match, some of the fights more in aragorn advantage but no less of a random captain fighting him at all.
Author:  SouthernDunedain [ Fri Aug 30, 2013 12:11 pm ]
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Lurtz could not be fight 6. There are no fight 6 orcs or uruk-hai (bar bolg and azog) in any of the SBG publications. Gothmog and Shagrat War Leader are both 100+ pts yet they are only F5.
Author:  Galanur [ Fri Aug 30, 2013 12:14 pm ]
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Well bolg and azog are fight 7, even more than just regular aragorn lol, but there is a goblin with fight 6 and hes fatty so why not an uruk like that?
Author:  SouthernDunedain [ Fri Aug 30, 2013 12:20 pm ]
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Because the hobbit stuff has slight power creep. And also, lurtz isnt a particularly good fighter, he shoots boromir with a bow and tries to smack the Devlan Mud outta Aragorn. Hence the high strength. That's why all uruk captains are str 5.

Finally, by making lurtz F6, you are stating that he is a equal fighter alongside Elrond, Celeborn, Erestor, the Twins and Thranduil to name a few. They'd have him in a straight up fight.
Author:  Galanur [ Fri Aug 30, 2013 12:36 pm ]
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well would need to change elf heroes to fight 7, regular captains stick to 6 and glorfindel to 8, 1 point less than gil galad
Author:  Bilbo [ Fri Aug 30, 2013 12:45 pm ]
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I have always liked the Lurtz character and the Urik hai are very colourful in the book and the film. Ugluk has a cool unique special rule, and Lurtz who appears somewhat more physically murderous really does need an appropriate rule.
Author:  whafrog [ Fri Aug 30, 2013 1:41 pm ]
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LordElrond wrote:
JamesR wrote:
Also I'd reduce his fight to 5 only because he couldn't go toe to toe w Aragorn


But he did :)


Oh boy, I was going to stay out of this thread, but you said the trigger words :)

He didn't. He'd already taken on a bunch of uruk-hai, while Lurtz fought nobody.
Besides, I'm not sure the proper foundation for a profile is "remember that one scene where..."

If you give F6 to Lurtz then it becomes meaningless. F6 is supposed to represent long years and trial and effort, not born-in-a-vat-yesterday. Yes, the Hobbit breaks these barriers...for no good reason other than GW wanting to sell models to Warhammer-minded gamers. Azog = Glorfindel? Gimme a break.

Aside from F6, the combo of his stats and all those special rules is worth waaay more than 130 points.

I'd better end this rant before I say more... :)
Author:  Imladris96 [ Fri Aug 30, 2013 3:50 pm ]
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Off topic, but a little fun fact.

The scene when Lurtz removes Aragorns knife and throws it at him was an accident. The actor playing Lurtz was meant to throw it at a nearby tree but the mask obscured his vision and he accidentally threw it at Viggo instead, but he perfectly deflected it and was a much better scene so they kept that part in the film.
Author:  Bilbo [ Fri Aug 30, 2013 5:57 pm ]
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Thats a great bit of improv!
Author:  Hill-Troll [ Fri Aug 30, 2013 8:24 pm ]
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Imladris96 wrote:
Off topic, but a little fun fact.

The scene when Lurtz removes Aragorns knife and throws it at him was an accident. The actor playing Lurtz was meant to throw it at a nearby tree but the mask obscured his vision and he accidentally threw it at Viggo instead, but he perfectly deflected it and was a much better scene so they kept that part in the film.

So Viggo nearly died? Or was it a fake knife?
Author:  JamesR [ Fri Aug 30, 2013 10:39 pm ]
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It was a fake knife. All the weapons were fake in the movies
Author:  Imladris96 [ Sat Aug 31, 2013 11:24 am ]
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JamesR wrote:
It was a fake knife. All the weapons were fake in the movies

Actually all the weapons made in those movies were real metal. Including all the arrows. The only modifications they made to prop weapons were rubber silicon injected into the handles to prevent them from snapping during shooting.
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