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 Post subject: 700 pts Isengard army SBG
PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 5:45 pm 
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I'm going to battle a friend in a couple of days.
He's taking elves and I was going to take Isengard, here's the list


700 pts Isengard.

Isengard raiders:
-Lurtz

legions of the white hand:
-urek-hai shaman
-15 urek-hai warriors with shield
-15 urek-hai warriors with pike
-5 urek-hai with crossbows
-10 urek-hai scouts with orc bows
-5 orc warriors (with no equipment)

the nazgul:
-the shadow lord


53 units, 6 might, 15 bow shots

thoughts?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:36 pm 
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fritskuhntm wrote:
I'm going to battle a friend in a couple of days.
He's taking elves and I was going to take Isengard, here's the list


700 pts Isengard.

Isengard raiders:
-Lurtz

legions of the white hand:
-urek-hai shaman
-15 urek-hai warriors with shield
-15 urek-hai warriors with pike
-5 urek-hai with crossbows
-10 urek-hai scouts with orc bows
-5 orc warriors (with no equipment)

the nazgul:
-the shadow lord


53 units, 6 might, 15 bow shots

thoughts?


Well first I would like to say it's Uruk. ;)

Also, the Orc Warriors? I would remove them and give the Shadow Lord a horse or something like that.

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 Post subject: Re: 700 pts Isengard army SBG
PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:51 pm 
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Berserkers? As you have the Shadow Lord you will be able to get them in unhindered from bow fire and once in close combat they will destory the elves. Also is there a drum for the Uruk's of the white hand? If so it may be worth taking one. Also remember you can fight with two pikes supporting a single model so you can get in your 3 attacks it might be worth trying to form a pike block. The shaman is a good choice. What type of elves is your friend taking?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 7:08 pm 
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I would remove the orcs to add some Uruk-hais or even a horse for shadow lord...
I see you will use him as a shield for arrows...
The shaman would be also useful... :-D
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:01 am 
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how about this:


Isengard raiders:
-Lurtz

legions of the white hand:
-uruk-hai shaman
-10 uruk-hai warriors with shield
-10 uruk-hai warriors with pike
-5 uruk-hai with crossbows
-11 uruk-hai scouts with orc bows
-3 uruk-hai beserkers
-10 orc warriors with shield and spear

the nazgul:
-the shadow lord


52 units, 6 might, 15 bow shots

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:39 am 
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fritskuhntm wrote:
how about this:


Isengard raiders:
-Lurtz

legions of the white hand:
-uruk-hai shaman
-10 uruk-hai warriors with shield
-10 uruk-hai warriors with pike
-5 uruk-hai with crossbows
-11 uruk-hai scouts with orc bows
-3 uruk-hai beserkers
-10 orc warriors with shield and spear

the nazgul:
-the shadow lord


52 units, 6 might, 15 bow shots


Seems good to me. I cannot remember the Shoot Value of Uruk-Hai Scouts but if it's 4+ then they are a worthy addition. What are the orcs for, to increases numbers?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:46 am 
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The orcs with spears could be great help at battles. 8)
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:47 am 
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Hilbert wrote:
The orcs with spears could be great help at battles. 8)


Ofcourse! I forgot the rule about spear support, how stupid of me. :rofl:

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It's okay, so the Uruks attack and as they have a high fight value and also spear support it will be hard to lost the battle 8)
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Hilbert wrote:
It's okay, so the Uruks attack and as they have a high fight value and also spear support it will be hard to lose the battle 8)


yeah, but the one downside is they will have a lower defence so they may be a target for archers?

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And here comes the shadow lord. :-D
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:05 pm 
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Hilbert wrote:
And here comes the shadow lord. :-D


God, I really got to read his list thoroughly before posting I never saw the Shadow Lord bit of the list. *facepalm*.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 1:21 pm 
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It's really a good tactic 8)
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 1:32 pm 
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Hilbert wrote:
It's really a good tactic 8)


yeah, I think this army is pretty much settled. I am guessing that it is the Isengard Raiders list that is being used, if so if he wants Cavalry he could add a few Warg Riders. Could make a difference having a more mobile unit and if the rider is killed there is a chance the Warg will stay and fight. :)

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and if the rider is killed there is a chance the Warg will stay and fight.
And that's the difference between horses and wargs :-D
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and if the rider is killed there is a chance the Warg will stay and fight.
And that's the difference between horses and wargs :-D


Yeah, i've never understood why the horses can't have an attack and kick opponents or whatever :rofl:

Anyway, the option to add cavalry is a great asset to any army, which the likes of Drawves and Arnor armies are lacking.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 2:33 pm 
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Yes riders would be a big power... Something like this:
Isengard raiders:
-Lurtz
-4 warg riders with shields

legions of the white hand:
-uruk-hai shaman
-10 uruk-hai warriors with shield
-10 uruk-hai warriors with pike
-11 uruk-hai scouts with orc bows
-3 uruk-hai beserkers
-9 orc warriors with shield and spear

the nazgul:
-the shadow lord


52 units, 6 might, 10 bow shots
8)
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 2:59 pm 
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Hilbert wrote:
Yes riders would be a big power... Something like this:
Isengard raiders:
-Lurtz
-4 warg riders with shields

legions of the white hand:
-uruk-hai shaman
-10 uruk-hai warriors with shield
-10 uruk-hai warriors with pike
-11 uruk-hai scouts with orc bows
-3 uruk-hai beserkers
-9 orc warriors with shield and spear

the nazgul:
-the shadow lord


52 units, 6 might, 11 bow shots
8)


Fixed it for you. ;)

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:09 pm 
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Lurtz isn't that great. Sharku is better for leading wargs, and Ugluk or Vrasku would be better for infantry.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:11 pm 
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Personally i prefer Lurtz.I like more him.
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