The Hobbit Giant Spiders?

Lord Hurin · **Posted:** Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:47 am

Hey all, I have a few questions regarding these beasties.

I understand they are quite a bit larger than the older LoTR ones? Are they really on a 60mm base?

They're "Fine"cast? Has anyone had/ seen any issues with them?

Have their profiles in the new book remained the same, as Gandalf, Saruman and Radagast's did?

Would you consider these to fit better in a Mordor list or a Moria list over, say, the old metal ones?

JamesR · **Posted:** Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:50 am

I don't have the book with their profiles but I do know they are weaker, cost more points and indeed are on the larger base

GothmogtheWerewolf · **Posted:** Sun Feb 16, 2014 1:11 am

I have 2 boxes of them and they are perfectly cast. They are on 60mm.

Statwise, mostly the same but halve the fight value, shorter movement range, -1 courage, and the ability to shoot webs which Paralyse (like the spell).
Unfortunately the webs have a short range, can only be done in the shoot phase, and the Spider has a poor shoot value, coupled with lower stats and higher pts, you'd struggle to find them effective.

Imladris96 · **Posted:** Sun Feb 16, 2014 7:12 am

Are there any benefits to them at all?

SouthernDunedain · **Posted:** Sun Feb 16, 2014 7:16 am

They don't have to be led by a warband leader.

Morbag_the_Orc · **Posted:** Sun Feb 16, 2014 11:15 am

They look good for me, but they have not so good stats. I could use them as proxies tho.

Lord Hurin · **Posted:** Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:12 pm

Really, couldn't they be used in conjunction with the older profile in a Mordor or Moria list?

Oldman Willow · **Posted:** Sun Feb 16, 2014 2:20 pm

Lord Hurin wrote:

Really, couldn't they be used in conjunction with the older profile in a Mordor or Moria list?

I have read the arguments about effectiveness of the Mirkwood spiders. I think most of the opinions have been based on on open field points matches. They are meant to be used with a lot of woodland terrain.
I would keep the Moria spiders on the smaller base and count them as different creatures.
I am making 18 bases from plastic spiders. I have not used them yet.
http://www.reapermini.com/Miniatures/Bones/latest/77025

Erunion · **Posted:** Sun Feb 16, 2014 7:42 pm

Ooh, that's a nice spider, Charles! Any idea on the scale? It was difficult to tell from the picture. If that would look good on a 60mm base, I'd definitely do up some of those as Mirkwoods.

GothmogtheWerewolf · **Posted:** Sun Feb 16, 2014 9:22 pm

Oldman Willow wrote:

I have read the arguments about effectiveness of the Mirkwood spiders. I think most of the opinions have been based on on open field points matches. They are meant to be used with a lot of woodland terrain.

How would that make any difference? The LotR Ginat Spiders can have he same rule regarding moving through difficult terrain so they're still better than the Mirkwood/Hobbit ones. In fact, due to larger base size, they don't fit through as much terrain as the older ones.

I am however, a supporter of anyone who wants to use them.

Oldman Willow · **Posted:** Sun Feb 16, 2014 10:09 pm

Erunion wrote:

Ooh, that's a nice spider, Charles! Any idea on the scale? It was difficult to tell from the picture. If that would look good on a 60mm base, I'd definitely do up some of those as Mirkwoods.

They will work fine. I don't have a photo on the hard drive. I will post a photo when I get home.

Xintao · **Posted:** Mon Feb 17, 2014 4:23 am

I have these spiders and they make an excellent proxy for the Mirkwood Spiders. Here are some pics

Sitting on 60mm bases.

Moria Spiders for Scale, I really need to get these finished.

More Reaper Bones spiders. What is not to love, 2 spiders for $2.50

Sitting on 40mm bases.

Together for scale, they are a little smaller but still work.

Adding in D&D Pre-Painted DeathJump Spider for another possible proxy.

All together now!

Added in my newest additions to the White Council for scale, Glorfindel, Erestor and Elrond.

Cheers, Xin

Erunion · **Posted:** Mon Feb 17, 2014 4:34 am

Awesome pics, Xintao! I try to collect all the models to play the scenarios and the amount of money needed to purchase 18 Mirkwood Spiders is simply unreal. These spiders, though, will work quite nicely and won't break the bank either.

Cheers, sir!

Lord Hurin · **Posted:** Mon Feb 17, 2014 4:43 am

Really nice, Xintao. I too might have to grab some of those...

Oldman Willow · **Posted:** Mon Feb 17, 2014 4:46 pm

Oldman Willow wrote:

Erunion wrote:

Ooh, that's a nice spider, Charles! Any idea on the scale? It was difficult to tell from the picture. If that would look good on a 60mm base, I'd definitely do up some of those as Mirkwoods.

They will work fine. I don't have a photo on the hard drive. I will post a photo when I get home.

Xintao cool photos

I included a swarm photo.

Erunion · **Posted:** Mon Feb 17, 2014 4:54 pm

The Swarms look pretty good, too. Did you make that 60mm base?

Oldman Willow · **Posted:** Mon Feb 17, 2014 7:44 pm

Erunion wrote:

The Swarms look pretty good, too. Did you make that 60mm base?

They are laser cut from Litko http://www.litko.net/

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