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And thus, immediately after, ALL support for Lord of the Rings went away, ALL prices went up across the board a few times... It was for sure the system that broke our Lord of the Rings SBG, and it is the reason still today that we see no support and high prices. So, in hind sight, I wish they had never made this game unless it was a pdf download for optional large games.
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But because of what it did to SBG, which I love and what it did in the long run to LOTR.
I disagree with your rose tinted assessment.
WotRs did not "break" the SBG - The *playerbase* of the latter was already in serious decline by 2007, despite the release of numerous army book supplements and related models.
The announcement of WotRs was generally greeted positively by the community as a whole as both a way to revive interest and support in the theme, as well as for a general desire for a mass combat system.
Thus it would be more accurate to say that it failed to "save" LotRs, being as you point out "too epic".
The same could be said about the current hobbit range - GW botched their chance to revive *long term* interest in the SBG, largely because of cost. Does that mean, with hindsight, that the SBG would be better off today had GW not made the hobbit products at all?
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And thus my point, GW stopped, put on the brakes on releases,
Yes, yes the brakes were put on new releases... >_>
1.1 Ent
1.2 Army of the Dead
1.3 Sons of Eorl
1.4 Halbarad
1.5 Citadel Guard
1.6 Grey Company
1.7 Isengard Uruk-Hai Commanders
1.8 Morannon Orc Commanders
1.9 Minas Tirith Commanders
1.10 Rohan Commanders
1.11 Elven Stormcaller
1.12 Dwarf Shieldbearer
1.13 Druzhag
1.14 Amdur
1.15 Haradrim Hasharin
1.16 Mordur Uruk-Hai
1.17 Army of the Dead Banner Bearer
1.18 Gandalf (Minas Tirith)
1.19 Witch King (Minas Tirith)
1.20 Theoden (Pelennor)
1.1 Galadhrim Knights
1.2 Galadhrim Warriors
1.3 Galadhrim Banner Bearer
1.4 Guard of the Galadhrim Court
1.5 Rumil
1.6 Haldir
2.1 Golden King of Harad
2.2 Abrakhan Guard
2.3 Harad Commanders
2.4 Easterling Commanders
2.5 Black Guard of Barad-dur Commanders
2.6 Black Guard of Barad-dur
2.7 The Knight of Umbar
2.8 The Betrayer
2.9 Kardush The Firecaller
3.1 Winged Nazgul
3.2 Eomer, Marshal of the Riddermark
3.3 Grimbold
3.4 Grimbold's Helmingas Command
3.5 Saruman (Orthanc)
1.1 Thrydan Wolfsbane
1.2 Knights of Dol Amroth
1.3 Morgul Knights
1.4 Mauhur
1.5 Mauhur's Marauders Command
1.6 Duinhir
1.7 Blackroot Vale Archers Command
1.8 Knights of Dol Amroth Command on foot
1.9 The Dwimmerlaik
1.10 Faramir, Captain of Ithilien
2.1 Cave Drake
2.2 Dwarf King’s Champion
2.3 Gundabad Blackshields
2.4 Floi Stonehand
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on support, on articles anywhere, everything came off the sight, and we were flat dropped to side kick status.
GW support as a whole has dropped considerably over the decade and a bit since the SBG first came out, across all systems. Bitz Service, White Dwarf quality, Hobby Centre staffing, online articles, FAQs, etc, etc. The decline predates WotRs thus attributing subsequent decline to WotRs specifically seems a bit baseless.
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The Price hikes that you mention are in retaliation, It was GW upset that we didn't buy in bulk for WotR
WotRs responsible for the price hikes??? ROFL.
This is GW we're talking about.
When the SBG was launched GW hiked their prices.
When the bubble grew GW hiked their prices.
When the player base was growing GW hiked their prices.
When the bubble burst... GW hiked their prices.
When the player base was dwindling GW hiked their prices.
When the models were new GW hiked their prices.
When the models were old GW hiked their prices.
When they made models that everyone wanted GW hiked their prices.
When they made models that no-one wanted GW hiked their prices.
When they made a push to regrow the hobby in 2012 GW hiked their prices.
When the hobbit was released GW hiked their prices.
When the Desolation of Smaug was released GW hiked their prices.
When the model was for LotRs GW hiked their prices.
When the model was for WHFB GW hiked their prices.
When the model was for 40k GW hiked their prices.
When the model was made from metal GW hiked their prices.
When the model was made from plastic GW hiked their prices.
When they shifted to finecrap GW hiked their prices.
When material costs went up GW hiked their prices.
When material costs went down GW hiked their prices.
When the economy was booming GW hiked their prices.
When the recession hit GW hiked their prices.
See a pattern? GW price hikes their prices because that is what GW does, not because of any direct cause and effect.
Prices rose frequently BEFORE WotR and continued to rise frequently AFTER.
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) via eBay. The core of a WotR was there, a few movement trays and my army of the White Hand was soon slaying formations of Horseboys in Sharkey's name! We love the system, we play regularly, we avoid most of the pitfalls and broken bits, and focus on what's important: having fun and battling (big scale) in Middle Earth.
