Two hand weapons (dual wield)

Elland · **Joined:** Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:55 am **Posts:** 181

having a bit of a brain fart here, but do models gain an extra attack for having two hand weapons? I know that the Twins and Gimli both state that they can fight with a weapon in each hand and gain an attack to what is listed on their profile, but does that also translate to a model such as a Feral Uruk-hai whose description specifically states "armed with two hand weapons" yet does not state that an "extra attack is included in the profile above"?

Thanks

Hilbert · **Joined:** Mon Jun 06, 2011 7:07 am **Posts:** 2088

No... Twins and Gimli have special rules to get these +1 Attack... Anyone other model that weilds two handed weapons get -1 who wins the battle but +1 to wound....

Lindir · **Joined:** Mon Dec 27, 2010 2:56 pm **Posts:** 42

Hilbert wrote:

No... Twins and Gimli have special rules to get these +1 Attack... Anyone other model that weilds two handed weapons get -1 who wins the battle but +1 to wound....

Read the first post again, two hand weapons =/= twohanded weapons

FireKnife · **Posted:** Fri Sep 16, 2011 9:41 pm

From what i gather it is a no, they may just have more attacks on their profile, like the Feral's having 2 rather than 1. Both Gimli and the Twins feature a rule that states they may use their weapons in a certain fashion rather than just a general weapon.

'FireKnife'

Hilbert · **Joined:** Mon Jun 06, 2011 7:07 am **Posts:** 2088

Oh sorry I read fast and messed up :oops:

whafrog · **Posted:** Sat Sep 17, 2011 2:48 am

Elland wrote:

... do models gain an extra attack for having two hand weapons?

No, they get what's in their profile. Gimli and some others have special rules to clarify their abilities. Many warrior models that have 2 attacks also have two hand weapons (ferals, watchers of karna), but not all (sentinels, berzerkers).

FireKnife · **Posted:** Sat Sep 17, 2011 12:18 pm

If it did give a difference, similar in fashion to the one the Twins have i would pay points for it, i mean a few extra points for potential three attack Ferals sounds good to me.

'FireKnife'

SuicidalMarsbar · **Joined:** Sun Apr 24, 2011 1:14 am **Posts:** 1712

Ferals have two attacks because they have two hand weapons, or atleast that's how i interpret it.

FireKnife · **Posted:** Sun Sep 18, 2011 11:25 am

But a Berzerker has two attacks but he only has one weapon (well on the model).

If they had a rule that they got an extra attack it Trapped or something would be good for Ferals, they just seem a bit basic and nothing special, though i bet they are a model that is much better in WoTR and just a profile in SBG to make the model useable.

'FireKnife'

GothmogtheWerewolf · **Posted:** Sun Sep 18, 2011 1:03 pm

Feral Uruks were in SBG years before WOTR came out, and worked well.

whafrog · **Posted:** Sun Sep 18, 2011 1:52 pm

SuicidalMarsbar wrote:

Ferals have two attacks because they have two hand weapons, or atleast that's how i interpret it.

They have 2 attacks because that's how good they are, just as a Sentinel gets 2 attacks even though they have only one weapon.

Battalia · **Joined:** Sat Jul 16, 2011 4:14 am **Posts:** 190

the ferals are odd though... Because you can pay 13 points for a feral, or pay 15 for a berserker with +1 defence as well as a two-handed weapon. A pretty good deal if you ask me. Want your berserker to get support from your pikes? Use his knife and his ~still~ 2 attacks. Aka a feral. :yay:

whafrog · **Posted:** Mon Sep 19, 2011 8:01 pm

Ferals are less than 13 by an amount that makes the point difference work out exactly

SBG needs a cleanup. I think the original rules gave you -1 unarmed or with a knife, so having to use a 2H weapon wasn't really a disadvantage. FWIW, when I use berzerkers I usually use them as 2H just because I believe that was the original intent.

FireKnife · **Posted:** Mon Sep 19, 2011 8:13 pm

Ferals are 12pts lol, the lower points cost in TTT journeybook counts than the higher one in the LoME book according to the FAQ

Though i remember the day when Elves didn't have Elven Blades but THW and Berzerkers could choose to fight one or two handed, stupid i know but that is what the old rules were like.

'FireKnife'

Beowulf03809 · **Posted:** Mon Sep 19, 2011 9:29 pm

Yeah, I wish there wasn't the change to give everyone a dagger unless stated otherwise. I really think Berserkers should be 2H ONLY. that's how I'll only ever play them regardless of the rules allowing me to choose. I mean...where the heck are they hidding that dagger?

And by getting rid of the auto-dagger the Elf Blade becomes interesting again because now you have a weapon that can be used 1H or 2H and is actually special again.

FireKnife · **Posted:** Mon Sep 19, 2011 9:36 pm

And Elf Archers will count as unarmed unless they pay the premium for the Elf Bow and Blade, as it should be

But to be honest i would be happy to have Berzerkers as THW only, makes more sense as they are only really equipped with a THW, not a stupid dagger too.

'FireKnife'

GothmogtheWerewolf · **Posted:** Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:28 pm

Elf archers are not unarmed according to newer version of rules.

whafrog · **Posted:** Tue Sep 20, 2011 12:37 am

Beowulf03809 wrote:

I mean...where the heck are they hidding that dagger?

Look closer....cloooseeer...

Beowulf03809 · **Posted:** Tue Sep 20, 2011 1:12 pm

whafrog wrote:

Beowulf03809 wrote:

I mean...where the heck are they hidding that dagger?

Look closer....cloooseeer...

Sorry...I'm a happily married hobbiest. No peeking up Uruk armor for me. :shock:

FireKnife · **Posted:** Tue Sep 20, 2011 3:48 pm

Quote:

Elf archers are not unarmed according to newer version of rules.

But they should be like Berzerkers should only have a THW, it makes no sense.

'FireKnife'

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