Going through the new source books

ChristsSoldier · **Posted:** Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:43 am

Really? So Vault Warden's can be used in any dwarven force now, and Eorl the Young could ride out to battle with Aragorn?
It sounds like there will be some major fluff-abuse here....

Then again, now I can use the Eorl profile and model as another 3rd age Rohan captain, such as Elfhelm. Yay finally a non-Gandalf hero who can keep up with my Sons of Eorl.

Raukov · **Posted:** Sat Feb 25, 2012 6:13 am

GothmogtheWerewolf wrote:

What would be more cool is if Angmar had options for Barbarians of Carn Dum and Ghosts in SBG.

There is that, yeah, I'm really disappointed the ghosts didn't make it in there. There's some other WotR stuff I'd like to have seen too. I want a Mordor Uruk shaman

Sticky Fingersss · **Joined:** Sat Oct 09, 2010 11:20 am **Posts:** 1776

I don't really care about snuff abuse, i don't play tornuaments so all my games are friendly and we always play themed armies.

Wah Wing · **Posted:** Sun Feb 26, 2012 7:07 am

I prefer themed games as well. You can make up a really good story sometimes, but there's even a limit to that.

Can anyone answer my previous question about the siege ladders?

whafrog · **Posted:** Sun Feb 26, 2012 2:46 pm

I believe in the main rules in the Seige section, it says you can take as many as you want. The rationale being that you probably won't take more than you need because you're tying up models carrying them. Don't have my rules here though, just going from memory

Draugluin · **Posted:** Tue Feb 28, 2012 8:53 pm

Is it true that there's only one Faramir profile now?

lordgoober · **Joined:** Mon Aug 03, 2009 3:30 am **Posts:** 98

yup. they left out the profile from WD mag for his post WOTR incarnation.

Wah Wing · **Posted:** Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:11 am

Thanks Whafrog. I've always loved this scenario.

Why did they leave out profiles like that? What if someone wanted to, for example, use Famamir before he rides out to retake Osgiliath?
(I presume that's what is represented in this profile right?) Are there any other profiles that were dropped?

Battalia · **Joined:** Sat Jul 16, 2011 4:14 am **Posts:** 190

Wah Wing wrote:

Thanks Whafrog. I've always loved this scenario.

Why did they leave out profiles like that? What if someone wanted to, for example, use Famamir before he rides out to retake Osgiliath?
(I presume that's what is represented in this profile right?) Are there any other profiles that were dropped?

Unless your going to a tourney, house rule his old profile and everyone wins. It's not like someone can accuse you of rigging it

ChristsSoldier · **Posted:** Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:17 am

I had a question about the new warbands system. Within a faction list, are there limits to what warriors can be in which heroes' warbands? And can you have different types of warriors in the same warband? On the Games Workshop site, a sample army had Thoeden mounted with 3 Royal Guard, and then a separate group with a mounted Captain and 6 Riders of Rohan. Is it necessary to put these different types of warriors in different warbands, or could they be combined into Thoeden's warband?

Also, there are no restrictions on how close individual models in warbands must be to each other, right? Not like the unit system in 40k where the entire group must stay together?

Fenris · **Joined:** Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:14 am **Posts:** 34

No as soon as the unit is deployed they are free to move wherever they please. Also yes you can mix and match troops in a warband as long as they all come from the same army within the sourcebook...

ChristsSoldier · **Posted:** Thu Mar 01, 2012 8:38 am

Thanks! And the bow limit is by the small army lists (Rohan, Gondor, Fiefdoms), not the overall army book (Kingdoms of Men, Free Peoples,etc.), correct?

If I wanted more than 12 Woses, I would need another unrelated hero from the Wanderers in the Wild list right? After Ghan-Buri-Ghan fills up his warband?

Fenris · **Joined:** Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:14 am **Posts:** 34

correct and correct...

Lord Hurin · **Posted:** Thu Mar 01, 2012 2:59 pm

Looking through the posts, it seems that basic Riders and Warriors of Rohan as well as Warriors of Minas Tirith have all been outclassed by EVEN MORE! Your average Warrior of Rohan now sports seemingly the lowliest human profile on the game, save perhaps the little-used Ruffians. WoMT are only saved by their heavy armour. So much for men of the west... :roll:

whafrog · **Posted:** Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:49 pm

Lord Hurin wrote:

Looking through the posts, it seems that basic Riders and Warriors of Rohan as well as Warriors of Minas Tirith have all been outclassed by EVEN MORE! Your average Warrior of Rohan now sports seemingly the lowliest human profile on the game, save perhaps the little-used Ruffians. WoMT are only saved by their heavy armour. So much for men of the west... :roll:

Yeah, it baffles me. It's not that the game isn't balanced, on the whole, but the flavour is lost.

Pindergorn · **Posted:** Thu Mar 01, 2012 5:52 pm

ChristsSoldier wrote:

Really? So Vault Warden's can be used in any dwarven force now, and Eorl the Young could ride out to battle with Aragorn?
It sounds like there will be some major fluff-abuse here....

Then again, now I can use the Eorl profile and model as another 3rd age Rohan captain, such as Elfhelm. Yay finally a non-Gandalf hero who can keep up with my Sons of Eorl.

On the one hand, its a good thing for those who care about and respect the Fluff, because now you have access to a wider range of Official Profiles to use as alternative named Characters (Counts as) without having to houserule or obtain permission from your opponent. For example, I just ordered Duinhir yesterday (for £7.20 and in metal

) and I intend to use him as a Mid- Third Age Dunedain character alongside Arvedui and Malbeth, counting him as Halbarad.

In that respect, I'm very happy that all Dwarves have access to Vault Wardens now. I don't have Dwarves but would like to one day, and I want to base it on an Underground theme, with Vault Wardens, Iron and Khazad Guard, Dwarven Kings etc. I always found it silly that the old LOME Khazad Dum list only had one choice for a Dwarf King- Durin - and no access to the generic Dwarf King for those who want to make their own characters. (See Feanor's terrain Dwarf Mine terrain board on the TLA site, under Terrain>Of Rocks and Mithril, for an idea of what I mean by Underground theme

).

But on the other hand, there will be lots of people who just completely disregard the fluff, by pulling shenanigans like fielding Aragorn alongside King Elendil and/or Isildur without even trying to create an original character and backstory.

Draugluin · **Posted:** Thu Mar 01, 2012 6:23 pm

whafrog wrote:

Lord Hurin wrote:

Looking through the posts, it seems that basic Riders and Warriors of Rohan as well as Warriors of Minas Tirith have all been outclassed by EVEN MORE! Your average Warrior of Rohan now sports seemingly the lowliest human profile on the game, save perhaps the little-used Ruffians. WoMT are only saved by their heavy armour. So much for men of the west... :roll:

Yeah, it baffles me. It's not that the game isn't balanced, on the whole, but the flavour is lost.

Two words: House Rules. For my group, Rohan throwing spears also count as War Spears, so they can be thrown or you can support with them, but not inthe same turn. For Gondor, all the models gain +1 to their courage rolls when broken. Numenor, all models gain +1 courage when charging a terror causing model. Just these simple changes makes Rohan actually winnable and Gondor and Numenor slightly better, enough that they can actually compete with at least some of the other armies.

whafrog · **Posted:** Thu Mar 01, 2012 6:38 pm

Draugluin wrote:

whafrog wrote:

Yeah, it baffles me. It's not that the game isn't balanced, on the whole, but the flavour is lost.

Two words: House Rules. For my group, Rohan throwing spears also count as War Spears, so they can be thrown or you can support with them, but not inthe same turn. For Gondor, all the models gain +1 to their courage rolls when broken. Numenor, all models gain +1 courage when charging a terror causing model. Just these simple changes makes Rohan actually winnable and Gondor and Numenor slightly better, enough that they can actually compete with at least some of the other armies.

Are you altering the point cost of the profiles?

Draugluin · **Posted:** Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:16 pm

No, that's why I didn't straight up give them another point of courage.

whafrog · **Posted:** Thu Mar 01, 2012 8:40 pm

Is there really a game balance issue with Gondor? Granted Rohan is weak, and Numenor is ridiculous, but Gondor is able to win regularly.

That said, I like your rules for Gondor/Numenor, they're thematic.

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