Amdur

philoking · **Joined:** Tue May 17, 2011 12:25 am **Posts:** 26

considering that he is a banner, he is effectively a 75pt hero - which leaves him as a slightly expensive captain with the ability to regain might and brings F6 to the table to boot. Not a bad bargain in my book.

Although I agree that at 100pts it would be nice if he had another atk. I guess GW assumed that with regular pike support, a F6 hero with 5 attacks might be a bit overpowering.

Draugluin · **Posted:** Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:47 am

A F6 hero with 5 attacks AND a reroll, with the great possibility of a shaman upping his strength to 6.

Valamir · **Posted:** Wed Mar 07, 2012 4:59 am

Would be a major pain- much like when Imrahil gets two pikemen and charges into battle. Except for the strength of six.

MeatBoy1994 · **Posted:** Tue Mar 27, 2012 2:45 pm

philoking wrote:

considering that he is a banner, he is effectively a 75pt hero - which leaves him as a slightly expensive captain with the ability to regain might and brings F6 to the table to boot. Not a bad bargain in my book.

Although I agree that at 100pts it would be nice if he had another atk. I guess GW assumed that with regular pike support, a F6 hero with 5 attacks might be a bit overpowering.

Why 5 attacks? You mean 4?

imrail · **Joined:** Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:24 pm **Posts:** 666

No, 3 attacks and supported with 2 pikes is 5.

cereal_theif · **Posted:** Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:06 pm

as the king of the pike wielding nutters I think 2 attacks is sufficient. GW also put the dragon knight as indipendent hero probably with the same rational

Draugluin · **Posted:** Tue Mar 27, 2012 5:09 pm

MeatBoy1994 wrote:

philoking wrote:

considering that he is a banner, he is effectively a 75pt hero - which leaves him as a slightly expensive captain with the ability to regain might and brings F6 to the table to boot. Not a bad bargain in my book.

Although I agree that at 100pts it would be nice if he had another atk. I guess GW assumed that with regular pike support, a F6 hero with 5 attacks might be a bit overpowering.

Why 5 attacks? You mean 4?

It should actually be 6, 5 from 2 pikes and his attacks, plus the reroll. Considering that Imrahil can have 5 attacks with pikes, I don't think that GW was that worried about his number of attacks.

GothmogtheWerewolf · **Posted:** Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:49 pm

I think the real reason the Dragon Knight has 3 attacks but Amdur has 2, is because a) the Amdur model was released first and b) the Dragon knight on foot looks more impressive than Amdur on foot.

imrail · **Joined:** Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:24 pm **Posts:** 666

GothmogtheWerewolf wrote:

I think the real reason the Dragon Knight has 3 attacks but Amdur has 2, is because a) the Amdur model was released first and b) the Dragon knight on foot looks more impressive than Amdur on foot.

Indeed the Dragon Knight has 2 swords, so that probably gives him an attack before.
Just like the sons of Elrond.

Draugluin wrote:

MeatBoy1994 wrote:

philoking wrote:

considering that he is a banner, he is effectively a 75pt hero - which leaves him as a slightly expensive captain with the ability to regain might and brings F6 to the table to boot. Not a bad bargain in my book.

Although I agree that at 100pts it would be nice if he had another atk. I guess GW assumed that with regular pike support, a F6 hero with 5 attacks might be a bit overpowering.

Why 5 attacks? You mean 4?

It should actually be 6, 5 from 2 pikes and his attacks, plus the reroll. Considering that Imrahil can have 5 attacks with pikes, I don't think that GW was that worried about his number of attacks.

Personally I don't count a reroll as an extra attack, it is another chance to win the battle (which shouldn't be hard with 5 attacks).

GothmogtheWerewolf · **Posted:** Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:33 pm

A reroll isn't an extra attack, and calling it as such confiuses some people, so please refrain from doing so.

Not necesarily with that, though others including Mauhur, Ferals and Watchers would seem like that is correct, others diagree, I meant the model is more impressive, as in it stands out more than Amdur.

philoking · **Joined:** Tue May 17, 2011 12:25 am **Posts:** 26

philoking wrote:

I guess GW assumed that with regular pike support, a F6 hero with 5 attacks might be a bit overpowering.

No, Amdur doesn't actually have 5 attacks with pike support. I just meant that if he _did_ have 3 attacks, (which he doesn't) that having 5 would probably be a bit overly ubermench and thus GW hamstrung him with only 2.

Pity though.

GothmogtheWerewolf · **Posted:** Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:17 pm

If that was the case, then why gave a non-named hero, Dragon Knights 3 attacks. In LoME you could just have muktiple Knights with pike support and a few shieldmrn as your entire army.

I do not think GW thought about it that way philoking.

MeatBoy1994 · **Posted:** Thu Mar 29, 2012 8:21 pm

GothmogtheWerewolf wrote:

If that was the case, then why gave a non-named hero, Dragon Knights 3 attacks. In LoME you could just have muktiple Knights with pike support and a few shieldmrn as your entire army.

I do not think GW thought about it that way philoking.

It's because he carries two swords... Any other mini, like Mauhur and Hasharin have 3 attacks.

GothmogtheWerewolf · **Posted:** Fri Mar 30, 2012 12:13 am

If that was the case, then Morgul Stalkers would have 2 swords, as would Castellans,Mirkwood Sentinels, Uruk-hai Beserkers and LoME-Mahud, and Dalamyr.

Elessar Telcontar · **Posted:** Fri Mar 30, 2012 6:06 am

A model with 2 attacks doesn't necessarily have two weapons, but models with two swords generally have an extra attack.

Ellethorn · **Joined:** Sun Mar 04, 2012 3:07 pm **Posts:** 39

Draugluin wrote:

A F6 hero with 5 attacks AND a reroll, with the great possibility of a shaman upping his strength to 6.

Yes I must admit that he would very nasty if he had 1 more attack, however I still prefer Gil-galad with shield. F9 D8 with 5A and a plus 1 to wound goes a long way!

GothmogtheWerewolf · **Posted:** Fri Mar 30, 2012 11:46 am

Elessar Telcontar wrote:

A model with 2 attacks doesn't necessarily have two weapons, but models with two swords generally have an extra attack.

Let me see if I can find a Warrior w/ 2 swords and only 1 attack, or a Hero w/ 2 swords and only 2 attacks. There will most likely be one, I will check.

imrail · **Joined:** Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:24 pm **Posts:** 666

GothmogtheWerewolf wrote:

Elessar Telcontar wrote:

A model with 2 attacks doesn't necessarily have two weapons, but models with two swords generally have an extra attack.

Let me see if I can find a Warrior w/ 2 swords and only 1 attack, or a Hero w/ 2 swords and only 2 attacks. There will most likely be one, I will check.

That won't be necessary.
What Elessar said was probably in reply to what I said about the elven twins.
With their special rule ( that they can fight with 1 or 2 swords and gain an extra attack), is what we where talking about.

Same with Gimli, 3 attacks if he uses 2 axes.

Mauhúr does have 2 swords, but that doesn't mean he gets an attack extra ( I don't know his profile).
How can you check that he gains an extra attack? It is already in his profile.
Or he must have the same rule as the elven twins, that he can attack with 2 swords and gain an extra attack.

The same with the Dragon Knight, he has 2 swords, and he must attack with both swords.
If I'm right he has 3 attacks, already in his profile.
Again no special rule to fight with both weapons and gain an extra attack.

Again Castellans, two weapons, they have two attacks, but no special rule that he gains an extra attack when he attacks with both weapons.

They do have more weapons, but most of them have more attacks because they are captains or elites.

I know it contradicts what I said before, but I was not talking about special rules, now I am.

GothmogtheWerewolf · **Posted:** Fri Mar 30, 2012 2:44 pm

Castellans are different, they only have one dueling weaopon, thjeir sword, the other is a dagger, the Morgul Blade which cann be used to deliver a killing blow, but he does not parry with it like the others.

Draugluin · **Posted:** Fri Mar 30, 2012 3:51 pm

GothmogtheWerewolf wrote:

Elessar Telcontar wrote:

A model with 2 attacks doesn't necessarily have two weapons, but models with two swords generally have an extra attack.

Let me see if I can find a Warrior w/ 2 swords and only 1 attack, or a Hero w/ 2 swords and only 2 attacks. There will most likely be one, I will check.

Erestor has 2 swords, but only 2 attacks.

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