All times are UTC


It is currently Sun Oct 06, 2024 9:25 am



Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 338 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 ... 17  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: Avenger's WIP **Pic heavy**
PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:01 pm 
Loremaster
Loremaster
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:03 pm
Posts: 1984
Location: Manitoba, Canada
Images: 1
Thanks all. I had a spare MoM troll, and I didn't really want two plastic trolls that were in the same pose. I could have gone for the spear instead of the club I guess, but I wanted to do a convertion. It's supposed to be a hill troll, it has the same rules as a cave troll, but looks better if he's beside burhdur. (who I don't have yet...)
I was intitially doing it for the O-R awards, right before the site got hacked, so I did this guy quite a while back. Some of the sculpting isn't as good as I would like it to be, but oh well...
@Bizzare Using the sprue for ruins wasn't my idea, but it is a good one! :)
@Sim You should try again. Mine was based off this (http://one-ring.co.uk/kb.php?a=197) article, as well as the ones in the Khazad-dum sourcebook. The hardest part was getting everything square (ish :lol: ) as I was using two thin pieces of balsam glued together. (and they definitely weren't perfectly square once they were glued!) :roll:
Top
  Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Avenger's WIP **Pic heavy**
PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:05 pm 
Ringwraith
Ringwraith
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Sun Nov 14, 2010 7:58 pm
Posts: 4932
Location: On the brink of madness.......
Images: 11
Your troll is quality... I love it!!!

_________________
Commission Availability : BOOKED SOLID (again lol)

More of my work at

www.ShadowandFlame.co.uk
Top
  Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Avenger's WIP **Pic heavy**
PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 10:35 pm 
Loremaster
Loremaster
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:03 pm
Posts: 1984
Location: Manitoba, Canada
Images: 1
Dead Marsh Spectre wrote:
Your troll is quality... I love it!!!

Thanks DMS, that means a lot coming from you.
Also, a quick update. I finished the face of my first haradrim. I'm liking these figures so far, the detail on the faces is way better than the wood elves. There are a couple of places that are bad, like one of the archers that is reaching back for an arrow, you can't really tell where his hand is, though you know it's there....but other than that they seem good.
I am following Haldir_pl's great article, though I need to figure out what colours to use on the bases as I'm not going to use GW colours for bases/drybrushing!
Image
Image
Top
  Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Avenger's WIP **Pic heavy**
PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 10:44 pm 
Elven Elder
Elven Elder
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Mon Jul 27, 2009 5:57 pm
Posts: 2760
Location: Belgium, Aalst
great skintone!

_________________
goblin: "people associate me with boogers because i am green"
Top
  Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Avenger's WIP **Pic heavy**
PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 11:54 am 
Ringwraith
Ringwraith
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Sun Nov 14, 2010 7:58 pm
Posts: 4932
Location: On the brink of madness.......
Images: 11
Frighteningly good face !!!!!!!!

_________________
Commission Availability : BOOKED SOLID (again lol)

More of my work at

www.ShadowandFlame.co.uk
Top
  Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Avenger's WIP **Pic heavy**
PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:17 pm 
Loremaster
Loremaster
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Sat Sep 19, 2009 8:57 am
Posts: 1223
very good! can't wait to see the rest.
Top
  Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Avenger's WIP **Pic heavy**
PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 2:19 pm 
Elven Warrior
Elven Warrior
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Sat Jun 04, 2011 8:28 pm
Posts: 604
Location: Hungary
Funny fact, but there are no black men in Middle Earth.
Top
  Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Avenger's WIP **Pic heavy**
PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 2:30 pm 
Ringwraith
Ringwraith
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Sun Nov 14, 2010 7:58 pm
Posts: 4932
Location: On the brink of madness.......
Images: 11
Bastion.HUN wrote:
Funny fact, but there are no black men in Middle Earth.

from Tolkien gateway

Harad's tribes were divided—at least in the minds of the men of northwestern Middle-earth—into those of Near and Far Harad, although there were many tribes of the Haradrim, often mutually hostile. Those of Near Harad were brown-skinned, with black hair and dark eyes, whereas the people of Far Harad had black skin. It is also presumed that every tribe had a chieftain, who served as their leader and general in the battlefield.

_________________
Commission Availability : BOOKED SOLID (again lol)

More of my work at

www.ShadowandFlame.co.uk
Top
  Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Avenger's WIP **Pic heavy**
PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 5:16 pm 
Loremaster
Loremaster
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Tue Jan 19, 2010 2:47 pm
Posts: 1040
Location: Newton Aycliffe, UK
Bastion.HUN wrote:
Funny fact, but there are no black men in Middle Earth.


Only in Peter Jacksons politically correct version of Middle Earth.

_________________
My (more regularly updated) painting blog:
https://www.facebook.com/Pindergorn/
Top
  Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Avenger's WIP **Pic heavy**
PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 2:15 pm 
Loremaster
Loremaster
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Tue Nov 30, 2004 8:23 pm
Posts: 2367
Location: Hobbiton, The Shire http://botwt.wordpress.com
WOW, loving the skin tone on this one!! :)

_________________
No one feels as helpless as the owner of a sick goldfish.
Top
  Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Avenger's WIP **Pic heavy**
PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 7:58 pm 
Loremaster
Loremaster
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:03 pm
Posts: 1984
Location: Manitoba, Canada
Images: 1
BilboOfTheWhiteTower wrote:
WOW, loving the skin tone on this one!! :)

Thanks. All do to Haldir's wonderful article.... :D
@Ondoher (Or anyone else) why would it be politically correct to have the haradrim white, and not black? I'm not big into political correctness, so I honestly don't get that....They're from a middle east type land, why wouldn't they be black/brown/tan/olive skinned? :roll:

And an update. The cloak colour is just the basecoat, and I still need to do the gems on his armour.
Image
Top
  Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Avenger's WIP **Pic heavy**
PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 8:04 pm 
Elven Elder
Elven Elder
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Mon Jul 27, 2009 5:57 pm
Posts: 2760
Location: Belgium, Aalst
Just do as u like urself! Really, i like this skintone. I wouldn't bother with correct or not. Ur guys will have their own colour palette - that will make them different then other peoples figures (and ur high paint level of course :) ). Be creative ! :p

_________________
goblin: "people associate me with boogers because i am green"
Top
  Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Avenger's WIP **Pic heavy**
PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 8:31 pm 
Loremaster
Loremaster
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:03 pm
Posts: 1984
Location: Manitoba, Canada
Images: 1
garmenhord wrote:
Just do as u like urself! Really, i like this skintone. I wouldn't bother with correct or not. Ur guys will have their own colour palette - that will make them different then other peoples figures (and ur high paint level of course :) ). Be creative ! :p

Don't worry, I want my haradrim to be dark skinned, I just don't understand why it would be politaically corect for PJ to have white, not dark, skinned haradrim.
Top
  Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Avenger's WIP **Pic heavy**
PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 8:39 pm 
Elven Warrior
Elven Warrior
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:39 pm
Posts: 718
Location: Everywhere...
Images: 1
Looking good so far. Are you going for a lighter scheme than normal (desert colours), like off whites and yellows?

_________________
C.A.P.T.A.I.N. = Crazy And Proud To Admit It Now
http://chrisgomhobbyblog.blogspot.com/
Top
  Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Avenger's WIP **Pic heavy**
PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 9:12 pm 
Loremaster
Loremaster
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Tue Jan 19, 2010 2:47 pm
Posts: 1040
Location: Newton Aycliffe, UK
theavenger001 wrote:
@Ondoher (Or anyone else) why would it be politically correct to have the haradrim white, and not black? I'm not big into political correctness, so I honestly don't get that....They're from a middle east type land, why wouldn't they be black/brown/tan/olive skinned? :roll:


theavenger001 wrote:
Don't worry, I want my haradrim to be dark skinned, I just don't understand why it would be politaically corect for PJ to have white, not dark, skinned haradrim.


My understanding of the various Tolkien book appendicies and DVD extras is that Tolkien very much intended for the Haradrim to be the typical Middle Eastern stereotype (i.e. "brown") and the 'Mahud' from Far Harad to be the typical African stereotype (black). PJ and co, (understandably) not wanting to cause a fuss, chose not to make Middle Eastern & African looking people the bad guys and gave them a more pale European-Mediterranean look albeit with an Arab style culture. If they had taken a literal interpretation of the books, making Haradrim Middle Eastern and Mahud African in appearence, then without a doubt there would have been accusations of racism, because they're essentially casting middle eastern and african people as the villains.

It's all nonsense anyway (political correctness). Biologically speaking, dark skin is a genetic adaptation to hotter climates. People who originate from hotter countries have darker skin due to increased skin pigmentation (Melanin), a necessary biological adapation to living in a climate with merciless sunshine. The hotter the climate, the darker your skin. In Middle Earth, Harad is described as a mostly desert like country - that sounds to me like the Sahara desert, Saudi Arabia, Iraq. Far Harad is described as Tropical with lush rainforests (and fricking giant elephants!) - that sounds to me like Africa. So, if you accept that the real world laws of nature still apply in Middle Earth, then people from Harad and Far Harad should be dark skinned - brown and black.

The fact that in the context of the Lord of the Rings, the Haradrim and associated peoples are the "villians", is neither here nor there. If anything, thats the fault of the author (Tolkien). PJ and co avoided a literal interpretation to avoid accusations of racism.


Personally, I don't see the Haradrim as Evil. Just morally ambiguous in their associating and worship (?) of Sauron. And I don't see Gondor as beyond-reproach Good either. After all, the Numenorians did invade and subjugate the 'lesser' people of Harad. Later, the Haradrim resisted and threw out the descendants of Numenor (the Gondorians). Aligning themselves with Sauron and Mordor (who are Evil) is an act of necessity. Better to ally yourself with the all powerful Sauron, than the weak and fragmenting Gondor, which just so happens to be your Old Enemy, former Master and is still hostile.

However, factions like the Hasharin, Lords of Umbar etc. are 'Evil'.

_________________
My (more regularly updated) painting blog:
https://www.facebook.com/Pindergorn/
Top
  Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Avenger's WIP **Pic heavy**
PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 6:23 pm 
Loremaster
Loremaster
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:03 pm
Posts: 1984
Location: Manitoba, Canada
Images: 1
Chris GoM wrote:
Looking good so far. Are you going for a lighter scheme than normal (desert colours), like off whites and yellows?

I'm following this (http://one-ring.co.uk/kb.php?a=185) article by haldir. I never really liked the GW haradrim, they have to much dark cloth to live in the desert!(imho) I just really like having someone telling me what colours work good, and being able to see pics of the finished product.

Btw, you say that GW's guys would be wearing 'normal' desert colours? Because to me desert people would wear much lighter colours. I am planning to have some black, purple and possibly dark red in there for accents though, so they won't be totally light. Mainly on the belts, but maybe on the odd turban or something. I have to get the purple from GW yet though....I'm putting in the purple as (on the whole, it seems) desert people were either dirt poor, or wealthy, and so my guys will tend towards the wealthy side, hence the purple. (A colour denoting royalty becuase it was so expensive to make)

@ Ondoher That makes sense. Thanks. That's sorta what I thought it was (having the bad guys dark, and the good light). Though, imo haradrim aren't 'bad'. They just happened to be taken advantage of by the person with the most control in their area (sauron).

Yeah. Anyways didn't get any painting done yet. I need to finish up my school for the day, play some video games, and watch the Canuck game I recorded......Yeah busy day yet...Hopefully I'll get this guy finished off by tomorrow or Wednesday. :-D
Top
  Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Avenger's WIP **Pic heavy**
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 12:14 am 
Loremaster
Loremaster
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:03 pm
Posts: 1984
Location: Manitoba, Canada
Images: 1
theavenger001 wrote:
Hopefully I'll get this guy finished off by tomorrow or Wednesday. :-D

Well that failed miserably....I have finally finished my first haradrim. I really like him. I need to go to Micheals yet and get some GW paint look-alikes for the bases. C&C appreciated.
Image
Image
Image
Top
  Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Avenger's WIP **Pic heavy**
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 2:53 am 
Loremaster
Loremaster
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Tue Nov 30, 2004 8:23 pm
Posts: 2367
Location: Hobbiton, The Shire http://botwt.wordpress.com
Wow, he is looking great! :)

_________________
No one feels as helpless as the owner of a sick goldfish.
Top
  Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Avenger's WIP **Pic heavy**
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 7:05 am 
Craftsman
Craftsman
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Sat Aug 30, 2008 9:42 pm
Posts: 481
Location: Dartford, Kent
He looks great, I like the idea of the lighter coloured clothing:) Also the skin tone is great....
Top
  Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Avenger's WIP **Pic heavy**
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 7:26 am 
Elven Elder
Elven Elder
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Mon Jul 27, 2009 5:57 pm
Posts: 2760
Location: Belgium, Aalst
quality!

_________________
goblin: "people associate me with boogers because i am green"
Top
  Profile  
Reply with quote  
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 338 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 ... 17  Next

All times are UTC


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 96 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to: