Using "The Hobbit" miniatures as proxies for "Lotr: SBG"

Sacrilege83 · **Posted:** Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:19 pm

Using "Hobbit" miniatures, to what Lotr: SBG profiles would you proxy them to? Not that I'll ever get The Hobbit rulebook unless I find it for dirt cheap, reading review threads people are saying it's not worth it.

So for example:

I would use King Thrain just as a regular Dwarf King or some high profile Lotr dwarf hero.

Grim Hammers as Khazad Guard
Dwalin as King's Champion
...etc.

Goldman25 · **Posted:** Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:50 pm

I'd use Hunter Orcs as Orc Trackers, Grimhammers as Khazad Guard and Erebor Dwarves as Dwarf Warriors.

SouthernDunedain · **Posted:** Thu Oct 17, 2013 10:09 pm

Eeewwwww. Hunter orcs as trackers?! Also, the hobbit book is worth every penny. The new rules have enhanced the game to new levels. In my experience, the only people who don't like the book are GW haters/ whiny 40k kids who don't know any better. If you're gonna invest thousands into collecting, £50 for the rules so you can use said collection isn't exactly a big ask.

Gene Parmesan · **Posted:** Thu Oct 17, 2013 10:55 pm

Pretty expensive if you're on minimum wage. The guts of the rules are in the efgt box set anyhow, bar the profiles. We still play off lotr rules, so long as everyone is happy than go for it.

JamesR · **Posted:** Thu Oct 17, 2013 11:20 pm

Goldman25 wrote:

I'd use Hunter Orcs as Orc Trackers, Grimhammers as Khazad Guard and Erebor Dwarves as Dwarf Warriors.

If you're going to proxy Hunter Orcs do them as Mordor Uruks, thats more of their strength level.

Oldman Willow · **Posted:** Thu Oct 17, 2013 11:25 pm

If Money is the issue wait until after December to see what happens.Time to make up your mind after we find out if there is a new book.
Surely someone will let you read their copy so that you can decide.

Sacrilege83 · **Posted:** Fri Oct 18, 2013 12:29 am

I have my own reasons besides money to avoid getting The Hobbit rulebook, and I'm not into collecting Hobbit miniatures just yet, but maybe sometime down the road after the trilogy is out. Besides that discussion I want to know, in your opinion, what miniatures are best used as proxies for Lotr SBG profiles.

I can see the hunter orcs used as orc trackers, not as uruk hai because they don't look anything like them IMO. I could also see the warriors of Dale being used to supplement the Arnor warriors.

Goldman25 · **Posted:** Fri Oct 18, 2013 1:25 pm

I didn't mention Warriors of Dale because they come with rules, but I'd say maybe proxying them as Warriors of MT with a more funky look. Azog could be proxied as Golfimbul (I think that's his name), the Orc Captain introduced in the Scouring of the Shire supplement. Thror could be a Dwarf King, and Thrain either a Captain or a King. The Three Trolls could be similar to Burhdur stats-wise, maybe tweaking it a bit so they aren't too strong.

JamesR · **Posted:** Fri Oct 18, 2013 2:29 pm

Sacrilege83 wrote:

I can see the hunter orcs used as orc trackers, not as uruk hai because they don't look anything like them IMO

For myself all the proxying I've done or ever seen is not connected to the "look" of a model. If you proxy a 40k Space marine to have a LAS Cannon but the model is holding a bolter, that looks nothing like a las cannon.

What I'm suggesting is the use of Mordor Uruk stats but to field them as hunter Orcs
So you might tell your opponent "These are Hunter Orcs, but I'm fielding them with the Mordor Uruk profile"
If that makes sense

SouthernDunedain · **Posted:** Fri Oct 18, 2013 3:32 pm

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So you might tell your opponent "These are Hunter Orcs, but I'm fielding them with the Mordor Uruk profile"
If that makes sense

Whaaa? If my opponent turned up and said this, I would probably (not literally) slap him round the face :Smackdown:

Also, why would you use them as Mordor Uruks? Hunter orcs are SO much better. A more logical choice (although still a bad one) would be Morgul stalkers, at least then they are orcs.

Quote:

Pretty expensive if you're on minimum wage.

I'm on the minimum wage :roll:

but lets not get into the money debate.

JamesR · **Posted:** Fri Oct 18, 2013 4:58 pm

I agree Hunter Orcs are much better I'm going with the initial posters refusal to purchase the new rulebook. So I was looking for a suitable profile that is close enough in the stats

Coenus Scaldingus · **Joined:** Sat Aug 17, 2013 9:14 am **Posts:** 1121

Mordor Uruk-hai are decent profiles to use with Hunter orc models as far as I'm concerned - elite orcs with options for two-handed weapons and bows.
The dwarven heroes can be used as whatever suits the points range, period in history and whether you follow the books or the movies - Thráin should be powerful enough to justify a profile like Dain's for example, but could be used as a normal King if necessary too of course.
For the men of Dale, I'd use the Númenorean profiles.. happens to be rather close to their actual rules.
Not many options for Azog and Bolg, as Gothmog and Shagrat warleader are some of the few strong profiles available.
William as Buhrdur and the others as normal Cave Trolls is alright I suppose. Doesn't leave much options for the Goblin king.
Lindir.. Gildor could work. Or a simple stormcaller.

EDIT: No issues concerning Great Goblin or the Company of course, those profiles can be downloaded freely: http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_Cus ... values.pdf

samoht · **Posted:** Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:02 pm

Why not just combine the rules?

I plan on fielding all my hunter orcs along with my mordor units against a mixture of good guy hobbit and lotr figures, whilst maintaining their rules. Nothing wrong with that.....unless you're in a tournament that does not allows such things.

JamesR · **Posted:** Sat Oct 19, 2013 1:08 am

samoht wrote:

Why not just combine the rules?

I plan on fielding all my hunter orcs along with my mordor units against a mixture of good guy hobbit and lotr figures, whilst maintaining their rules. Nothing wrong with that.....unless you're in a tournament that does not allows such things.

They're all compatible anyways its one game system it says as much in the rulebook

Coenus Scaldingus · **Joined:** Sat Aug 17, 2013 9:14 am **Posts:** 1121

He quite clearly has no interest in buying the Hobbit rules at the moment, so is looking for LotR rules that more-or-less fit the Hobbit figures.

Additional thought for Hunter Orcs: Feral Uruk-hai. Rules aren't miles apart, and there are some similarities in their appearance too.

Hirumith, the Grey Knight · **Posted:** Sat Nov 09, 2013 11:07 pm

Ignoring GW's profiles for hunter orcs, and instead based on their representation in the movie, I don't really see any particular reason for Hunter Orcs to stand a cut above regular orcs, and I think Orc Trackers would be a good proxy.

If you want to beef them up a bit, the way GW did, then I would lean towards Mordor Uruk-hai, Feral Uruk-hai, or Isengard Uruk-hai Scouts as proxy profiles.

The main trouble I see with running them as any kind of Uruk-hai (other than there being no apparent justification for the beefed up profile) is that you don't allow yourself the option of warg riders.

I would think that Thrain and Thror could be reasonably proxied by either an existing named dwarf hero (Dain, Durin, Balin), or just a Dwarf King with the appropriate equipment.

I would probably also vote Shagrat War Leader as a proxy for Azog, although again you don't get the warg option (you could simply allow that option to him for 10 points or something, though).

morvaltur · **Posted:** Tue Nov 04, 2014 3:02 am

Sorry for resurrecting a dead topic, but it might be worth mentioning that profiles for The Hobbit are available online without having to buy the rules: http://www.blacklibrary.com/Downloads/P ... -earth.pdf

Coenus Scaldingus wrote:

He quite clearly has no interest in buying the Hobbit rules at the moment, so is looking for LotR rules that more-or-less fit the Hobbit figures.

celticgriffon · **Posted:** Fri Jan 02, 2015 6:38 am

In my opinion proxies are fine as long as things are easy to keep track of at a glance. Go for it. I mean seriously the whole idea of playing a game such as this is to have fun. If you don't have the models or budget use what you have to try out new troop types and strategy.

Michael

LordoftheBrownRing · **Posted:** Sat Jan 10, 2015 12:08 pm

Im just honestly personally offended that anyone wants to take hunter orcs, one of my favorite units in the game, and consider them anything else......they are amazing troops.

Grungehog · **Posted:** Sat Jan 10, 2015 10:56 pm

I think grimhammers given axes make the perfect khazad guard but aside from that I don't really understand the topic here. You want to avoid the hobbit rules and use the models to represent something else in Lotr? but why?
the only reason to get the big rule book btw is for 7 scenarios, as the goblin town rule book can be found elsewhere and the profiles can be downloaded from gw

Using "The Hobbit" miniatures as proxies for "Lotr: SBG"

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