Firing from behind the shoulder

N00bie_Boy · **Joined:** Mon Dec 02, 2013 12:56 am **Posts:** 99

In the rulebook it says a model armed with some sort of missle weapon (bow, crossbow, throwing weapon) can be used if an ally is in front of model, but touching bases. Like firing over your allies shoulder. But about if your archers are in the back of two soldiers, only in base contact with the nearest one? Can you fire or not?

What about if a trooper defeats a model with spear support, or in a shield wall or something? Do they all have to back up, or just him and they make way?

Lord Hurin · **Posted:** Thu Feb 20, 2014 2:26 pm

I don't think so, but then I haven't really given the newest (The Hobbit: AUJ) version of the rules a great read-over.

JamesR · **Posted:** Thu Feb 20, 2014 2:26 pm

You can only fire past an ally whose base you are directly touching. So no you cannot fire past allies that are further ahead of you

whafrog · **Posted:** Thu Feb 20, 2014 2:48 pm

JamesR wrote:

You can only fire past an ally whose base you are directly touching. So no you cannot fire past allies that are further ahead of you

You can, if you get down to the shooting model's eye level and check if they are actually in the way. I've been pleasantly surprised many times. And if they are in the way, if you are Evil you can fire past them if you're willing to risk the in-the-way roll and kill your own troops.

JamesR · **Posted:** Thu Feb 20, 2014 2:51 pm

That's true, my assumption was the scenario described had all the troops on a level area and the allies to be shot past being in contact with each other. Like a spear support model being shot past with the model he's supporting being right in front of him

Lord Hurin · **Posted:** Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:03 pm

I love the nuance of the game! Tiny things like this can mean so much difference. Bah, and those Warhammer types say it's "too simple" because you don't need 430 dice for one combat!

Goldman25 · **Posted:** Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:08 pm

You never used to be able to in previous rules, but I don't know if they've changed that.

Bilbo · **Posted:** Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:38 pm

Actually the rules for this are unchanged!

N00bie_Boy · **Joined:** Mon Dec 02, 2013 12:56 am **Posts:** 99

Bilbo wrote:

Actually the rules for this are unchanged!

So if the formation was AWW, A being archer and W being Warriors, the archer couldn't fire?

JamesR · **Posted:** Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:45 pm

Correct the archer only fires over the shoulder of the guy he's in DIRECT contact with so to use your example only AW not AWW

whafrog · **Posted:** Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:14 pm

But he *can* still fire (possibly), saying he can't is misleading.

The determination is *not* based on who is in front of the archer, but what kind of view the archer has of the target. Anything else is irrelevant.

In the case of:
A(W1)(W2)

if W2 is "in the way" of the shot, then Good can't shoot, and Evil can only shoot if they're will to risk killing W2.

Firing from behind the shoulder

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