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Blue Dragon · **Posted:** Tue Dec 02, 2014 7:26 pm

Spoiler re: Bard video above

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Argish · **Posted:** Tue Dec 02, 2014 8:09 pm

Bandobras Took wrote:

That one in Dol Guldur is pretty sweet. I've actually found that the appendices bits have been handled quite well IMO but the main storyline of Bilbo and the Dwarves has been ruined slightly for me with far too many additions (or exclusions for that matter) that aren't even in the spirit of the book never mind actually there... I sometimes lament the poor scripting of this trilogy as a whole so far because the casting has been so good for each of the main characters. I just find them let down by a lack of faithfulness to the book...

I wasn't a fan neither of including this Dol Goldur parts, but after I saw that trailer I changed my mind... They are going to be probably the best part of the movie, at least for me.

We are not going to have any other movies so good thing we can see this.

Lhosseth · **Joined:** Sat Nov 22, 2014 7:51 pm **Posts:** 72

Interesting, Blue Dragon!

Bandobras Took, you speak my mind. From what I've seen from DOS and heard from BOTFA so far, I think it's a pity some important things have been changed, left out or things added in. It's not like it will ruin the movie for me, I'm pretty sure I will still enjoy it, but it's still a bit of a let down. And I sometimes miss the more subtle handling from LOTR.
I am however, very happy with the inclusion of the White councils subplot and happy to see Dol Guldur seems to be turning out quite nice.

Adanedhel88 · **Joined:** Tue Jul 12, 2011 5:11 pm **Posts:** 216

i havent read/seen the other spoilers, but the Dol Goldur bit i just couldnt resist. sum fun catchphrases in there..im not alone, are you in need of assistance my lady, u shouldve stayed dead....really looking forward to this.
a week from now, will be doing a hobbit marathon with my best friend in Imax 3d...really looking forward to the...saddening..ending of a epic saga

Blue Dragon · **Posted:** Tue Dec 02, 2014 8:57 pm

Saruman's just missing his fedora. *tipping intensifies* lol

GothmogtheWerewolf · **Posted:** Tue Dec 02, 2014 11:18 pm

I didn't want to read it but I did, I really hope the Bolg/Beorn/Legolas stuff isn't true, that would be really irritating. But at least there is the Bard thing.

That Dol Guldur clip is awesome, interesting how much more transparent the Wraiths look in this than in the trailer. Elrond and Saruman did look a little awesome in that too.

Draugluin wrote:

I'm actually pleasantly surprised about the signal tower. It's much more believable (surprisingly) than having Gothmog whispering orders to his lieutenant who just screams them out to orcs that have absolutely no way of hearing them.

Gothmog didn't do that. He gave orders to Orc Commanders/Lieutenants riding on Wargs who ran up and down the lines relaying those orders to the rank and file.

Draugluin · **Posted:** Wed Dec 03, 2014 12:54 am

Let's review the Battle of Pelennor Fields, shall we? Gothmog mentions how the city is rank with fear, and says to ease their pain. Then, a lieutenant with a skull on it's helmet yells "CATAPULTS!" and suddenly every catapult in the army starts firing. Not to mention all of the speeches where someone somehow was able to communicate an awesome speech to 6 thousand men on a noisy battlefield. This signal tower is much more realistic. Not saying that it's necessary, as it is a fantasy movie, but it is a nice touch.

Erurainon the Trombonist · **Posted:** Wed Dec 03, 2014 5:25 pm

I assume the wraith that Elrond attacks is Khamul? He is wearing a variant on the Easterling armour!

Galanur · **Joined:** Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:28 am **Posts:** 1389

yes and what saruman´s banish 1st its the betrayer

turwaitheon · **Posted:** Wed Dec 03, 2014 10:27 pm

If we get these Nazgul, awesome!
And Elrond can fight spirits just with his magic Elven Blade.

aelfwine · **Joined:** Sat Aug 22, 2009 12:23 am **Posts:** 508

Galanur wrote:

yes and what saruman´s banish 1st its the betrayer

Only two (maybe three) ringwraiths have names/titles in the actual books: Khamul and The Witch King (Gothmog might be a wraith in the book, but its unlikely). All other names are from third parties. The old Middle Earth roleplaying game invented the backstories for the seven other Nazgul. The SBG invented another seven backstories.

We can call them anything we like

turwaitheon · **Posted:** Wed Dec 03, 2014 10:37 pm

aelfwine wrote:

Galanur wrote:

yes and what saruman´s banish 1st its the betrayer

Only two (maybe three) ringwraiths have names/titles in the actual books: Khamul and The Witch King (Gothmog might be a wraith in the book, but its unlikely). All other names are from third parties. The old Middle Earth roleplaying game invented the backstories for the seven other Nazgul. The SBG invented another seven backstories.

We can call them anything we like

We can have a Monthly Character Lore Competition now!

aelfwine · **Joined:** Sat Aug 22, 2009 12:23 am **Posts:** 508

turwaitheon wrote:

We can have a Monthly Character Lore Competition now!

Right then! First Question: in which book in Khamul identified?

Lhosseth · **Joined:** Sat Nov 22, 2014 7:51 pm **Posts:** 72

Unfinished Tales

abcdefg · **Joined:** Mon May 28, 2012 3:52 pm **Posts:** 273

Unfinished Tales?

abcdefg · **Joined:** Mon May 28, 2012 3:52 pm **Posts:** 273

Damn, you win!

GothmogtheWerewolf · **Posted:** Thu Dec 04, 2014 11:38 pm

Draugluin wrote:

Let's review the Battle of Pelennor Fields, shall we? Gothmog mentions how the city is rank with fear, and says to ease their pain. Then, a lieutenant with a skull on it's helmet yells "CATAPULTS!" and suddenly every catapult in the army starts firing. Not to mention all of the speeches where someone somehow was able to communicate an awesome speech to 6 thousand men on a noisy battlefield. This signal tower is much more realistic. Not saying that it's necessary, as it is a fantasy movie, but it is a nice touch.

I'm not talking about the film itself as in what's on screen. Supplementary material for the films is what I referred to.

Quote:

Riding up and down the regiments were Orc-captains mounted on Wargs; while on these swift creatures they could take their orders from Gothmog [...] and shout them quickly and efficiently to troops

-The Lord of the Rings: Weapons and Warfare by Chris Smith, Foreword by Christopher Lee, p. 172

I take the rational explanations for tactics and such from here as they help make more sense of the film. This is why I said what I said. And since this topic is about a film supplement too, I thought its words can be relevant to the discussion.

Draugluin · **Posted:** Fri Dec 05, 2014 12:16 am

I'm talking about what's in the movie, which is what we're talking about right now.

Dorthonion · **Posted:** Fri Dec 05, 2014 6:23 pm

The Dol Guldur sequence appeals greatly to me.
I have all the Chronicles books for the first 2 films and the first one for Bot5A will come later this month. They are all superbly illustrated books and give an indication on the amount of effort and care that went into the design of even the smallest bit and pieces.

Sacrilege83 · **Posted:** Tue Jan 20, 2015 2:50 pm

I bought the BOFA chronicles book.
Nice pics of the wraiths. They were going to give Azog a helmet, too bad they didn't because it looked great. Conversion idea?

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