Orcrist and Oakensheild

Glory4gondor · **Joined:** Tue Jan 28, 2014 10:57 pm **Posts:** 137

So a tournament over the weekend my opponent and I had a disagreement. Its was regarding Thorin if he is equipped with Oakensheild and Orcrist does he get the elven blade rule if defending with oakensheild? I say he does do to the rules stating a model that's modeled with an eleven blade has this rule. My opponent argument was that thorin should have to be attacking to get this benefit. What do you guys think?

jdizzy001 · **Posted:** Mon Feb 08, 2016 4:37 pm

I am under the impression that someone with an elven blade and shield cannot use the shielding bonus (roll Double dice for the duel but no strikes on a win) and the elven blade tie breaker bonus (win ties on a 3+) at the same time. I do not have any errata in front of myself to cite, but I feel like this questionwas asked before.

LordoftheBrownRing · **Posted:** Mon Feb 08, 2016 5:03 pm

Yeah Jdizzy basically I believe if a unit is shielding, he is clearly using only the shield and not using what is a very finely crafted Blade, because only that blade wins the 3-6 tie.

I just can't see a guy shielding with one hand on a shield and one on a sword.

This is what I imagine when a troop shields:

http://www.hurstwic.org/history/article ... _hands.jpg

Glory4gondor · **Joined:** Tue Jan 28, 2014 10:57 pm **Posts:** 137

jdizzy001 wrote:

I am under the impression that someone with an elven blade and shield cannot use the shielding bonus (roll Double dice for the duel but no strikes on a win) and the elven blade tie breaker bonus (win ties on a 3+) at the same time. I do not have any errata in front of myself to cite, but I feel like this questionwas asked before.

Oakensheilds special rule allows the wielded to block and make a str. 4 hit. Plus a model equipped with elven blade and shield can still shield. But then it can't use the elven blade has a two handed weapon .

jdizzy001 · **Posted:** Mon Feb 08, 2016 9:44 pm

I understand that one can carry an elven blade and shield and use the shielding rule. No question about that. What I understand from your question is the following: if thorin is shielding and the duel roll results in a tie, does thorin win the tie on a 4+ or a 3+. Am I correct in understanding your question, or are you asking something different?

LordoftheBrownRing · **Posted:** Mon Feb 08, 2016 10:00 pm

He's wondering if he can shield and win on a 3-6.

Here's the old topic....
viewtopic.php?f=49&t=29072&p=373173&hilit=Shielding+and+Elven+blade#p373173

Southern Dunedain who I would say is very apt to answer rules questions said no they cannot be used together.

Technically we still don't have a 100% Answer, but I still think it shouldn't be used together.

This site is dead and I think it would be better to ask someones YouTube.

SouthernDunedain · **Posted:** Mon Feb 08, 2016 10:44 pm

To the FAQs!

I'll be back...

SouthernDunedain · **Posted:** Mon Feb 08, 2016 10:57 pm

Found the answer in the GBHL community FAQ. Note the answer is GWA which means the games developers at GW have given us this answer so is as good as official. I have attached a photo of the question below. The full doc can be found in the files section of the GBHL Facebook page.

LordoftheBrownRing · **Posted:** Mon Feb 08, 2016 11:16 pm

Thank you SD.

Is there a link to that section you guys have answered from Games Workshop?

Glory4gondor · **Joined:** Tue Jan 28, 2014 10:57 pm **Posts:** 137

SouthernDunedain wrote:

Found the answer in the GBHL community FAQ. Note the answer is GWA which means the games developers at GW have given us this answer so is as good as official. I have attached a photo of the question below. The full doc can be found in the files section of the GBHL Facebook page.

Thank you for clearing this up.

jdizzy001 · **Posted:** Tue Feb 09, 2016 7:03 pm

SouthernDunedain wrote:

Found the answer in the GBHL community FAQ. Note the answer is GWA which means the games developers at GW have given us this answer so is as good as official. I have attached a photo of the question below. The full doc can be found in the files section of the GBHL Facebook page.

When worded like that in the FAQ, it makes a lot of sense. As one is shielding, they are opting to use the shield benefit as opposed to the elf blade benefit, therefore they do not get the elf blade bonus.

SouthernDunedain · **Posted:** Tue Feb 09, 2016 7:39 pm

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9KPDU5lXwLucXM2NXhuRE1fNWs/view?usp=sharing

As requested, a link to the community FAQ used by the GBHL. Any question marked GWA is GW approved (meaning they agree with us and it is basically official).

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